Reincarnation

[ophello]

You want to prove the case for ufos...I don't consider it relevant.

No, not prove that ET's are here. It would prove your case.
But thats fine. I dont really care what you do or how you do it. This is your site.

[magicpaw]

Hello everyone.

A few of you may recognize me, as I have been tracking Cal since 1997 back in the days when he had a chat room on Efnet. I have visited the weekly chats from time to time and I have been on one of the older forums from a couple years back.

I still can not honestly say why I had stumbled into his channel originally, but ever since the story was revealed to me I have witnessed this story unfold since the websites' inception.

There were times when I was very skeptical of him, and even tried to pin Cal into admitting he was a Con of some sort on the older forums. However, over time, the facts did not support the theory.

The facts as I have observed them over the years:
1) Cal has been very patient with me in answering my many hundreds of questions over the years. (I'm not kidding about the hundreds)
2) Cal was kind enough to allow me to call him at his expense.
3) Cal has never asked me to believe him or join a "club". In fact, he has cautioned me to leave for my own safety as sticking around him has been known to cause problems.
4) Cal showed me how to work the essentials of the revelation code without ever buying it. He also pointed out to me certain scriptures and I have shown/asked him about others I have noticed. By the time I bought the ebook of TRC (I'm a cheap bastard), I had already known most of it through conversations with him and from reading on the forum. So there went my "for the money argument" I had with him on the older forums.
5) Cal's understandings on things have expanded since when I met him originally and after he broke the revelation code. As I first read a book he gave to me of his personal account into his investigations on his abductions and then things expanded exponentially from there.
6) Cal is not beyond human error.
7) Cal has helped me to see Father in a way that has brought me, joy, love, and hope.
8) Cal has always had a take it or leave it approach with this information, as he has indicated time and time again that he isn't the "Messiah".
9) Cal has had these proofs available to see and I have not seen of anyone to date with actual credentials challenging them on educated grounds.
10) Even though there have been times I have pissed him off inadvertently, and tried his patience, Cal has still offered me his ear to this very day.

I could go on, but these are the gist points that have lead me to my ruling out that he is a con man.

From my cumulative dealings with Cal, I could not find another shoe to drop over the many years, and after I let that theory go I was able to see the truth for what it was.

Cal is either telling the truth, been manipulated to these truths (abductions), or he's on the disorientated express. I must admit, the former has been looking more likely as his website has grown over the years and my experiences with him have now spanned off and on for over a decade, and I still do not detect malice from this man.

I share this with you as I could not stand to watch this scene from the sidelines.

Wally:

I admit I do not know you as well as others here, but I have been reading the forum for quite a time off and on.

The unfortunate thing is that in your recent actions you only have made yourself look worse in the process as the phrase "when you throw dirt, you lose ground" applies here.

As you had made a lot of things "public" Cal casually brought up a very small instance that had happened where you benefited from a situation at the cost of someone else.

Not once in your entire rebuttal did you acknowledge that A) Cal spent money as he indicated he would. B) You did not reimburse him for it.

To add insult to injury, you provide excuses and never once gave an apology.

Then you proceed to attempt to throw a bunch of postings back from 1994, which he has already explained for anyone paying attention was at a time when he had been researching his personal abductions. Which I may add if anyone does read them they can find a lot of it has been expanded upon on this very website, and very insightful as he hasn't changed that much in his very short and to the point style in the way he posts.

It seems that in all the throwing of the dirt that you had been doing you had not realized you have dug yourself in a very big hole.

However, if these words offend you, I do apologize for this, as this was not my intention. I offer this post as a different perspective for those that wish to hear it, for those that do not...we all are still given our free will to discard whatever suites us. Take care.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Op

My proofs are on record and there are more to come. Let's face it - I still have a couple of rabbits to pull out of the hat. These will be done in Father's time - not yours.

[walompio]

Cal:

I meant Sue, not J.

In the time I was with you in Co. You spent FAR more in transportation, food, and everything else for all of us than whatever it cost you to ship the darn stick. I (and others) offered in multiple ocasions to contribute with some money but you always rejected all of it. My point is only that you claim I take advantage of a situation for some kind of profit, and I am offended because of it, because I did give Sue money for shipping. In reading all of this again, and knowing you spent $35 for mailing, I guess I do owe you the difference and so I will repay you.

Whatever was said is already said. I am hurt that you implied me as some kind of thief and that's why I reacted the way I did in my last post. I am not a thief. Even so, I'd like to offer my apoligies for reacting this way. Call me what you want to, nothing can take away the peace I feel from knowing the truth.

I am not very good at holding grudges, I don't like the fact that a debate on reincarnation, satelites or whether or not the story behind PH is true and correct turned into a personal attack, and never expected it to reach these heights. I'd like to let go now.

You lable me a pitiful non-ascendant opportunist, an evil doer, an and a liar who is willing to make deals with Satan.... My gut tells me to defend myself, and I tried, but I end up looking like an a-hole because your ability to argue and rationalize is far superior than mine is, and the emotions of anger get on the way of rational defense. So I'd like to end it, let the consclusion of the readers land where they may. I care, but there isn't much I have the energy to do. I am tired Bob....

Magicpaw,
You are right in pointing out that I dug myself into a hole by pasting those writings. My point in doing so was to ilustrate how the story has evolved over the years. Your post does not offend me, no need to apologize. I also wanted to let you know that I share most of the points on that list with you as far as my interaction with Bob.

So to end this, I would like to offer to all the readers, as well as for Bob my sincere apology for causing trouble here. I never thought I'd see myself getting so far deep into this, to a point where I forgot who I am.

Peace.

Jesus Said:

"Always respect the personality of man. Never should a righteous cause be promoted by force; spiritual victories can be won only by spiritual power. This injunction against the employment of material influences refers to psychic force as well as to physical force. Overpowering arguments and mental superiority are not to be employed to coerce men and women into the kingdom. Man's mind is not to be crushed by the mere weight of logic or overawed by shrewd eloquence. While emotion as a factor in human decisions cannot be wholly eliminated, it should not be directly appealed to in the teachings of those who would advance the cause of the kingdom. Make your appeals directly to the divine spirit that dwells within the minds of men. Do not appeal to fear, pity, or mere sentiment. In appealing to men, be fair; exercise self-control and exhibit due restraint; show proper respect for the personalities of your pupils. Remember that I have said: "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, and if any man will open, I will come in."

"In bringing men into the kingdom, do not lessen or destroy their self-respect. While overmuch self-respect may destroy proper humility and end in pride, conceit, and arrogance, the loss of self-respect often ends in paralysis of the will. It is the purpose of this gospel to restore self-respect to those who have lost it and to restrain it in those who have it. Make not the mistake of only condemning the wrongs in the lives of your pupils; remember also to accord generous recognition for the most praiseworthy things in their lives. Forget not that I will stop at nothing to restore self-respect to those who have lost it, and who really desire to regain it.

"Take care that you do not wound the self-respect of timid and fearful souls. Do not indulge in sarcasm at the expense of my simple-minded brethren. Be not cynical with my fear-ridden children. Idleness is destructive of self-respect; therefore, admonish your brethren ever to keep busy at their chosen tasks, and put forth every effort to secure work for those who find themselves without employment.

"Never be guilty of such unworthy tactics as endeavouring to frighten men and women into the kingdom. A loving father does not frighten his children into yielding obedience to his just requirements.

"Sometime the children of the kingdom will realize that strong feelings of emotion are not equivalent to the leadings of the divine spirit. To be strongly and strangely impressed to do something or to go to a certain place, does not necessarily mean that such impulses are the leadings of the indwelling spirit.

"Forewarn all believers regarding the fringe of conflict which must be traversed by all who pass from the life as it is lived in the flesh to the higher life as it is lived in the spirit. To those who live quite wholly within either realm, there is little conflict or confusion, but all are doomed to experience more or less uncertainty during the times of transition between the two levels of living. In entering the kingdom, you cannot escape its responsibilities or avoid its obligations, but remember: The gospel yoke is easy and the burden of truth is light.

"The world is filled with hungry souls who famish in the very presence of the bread of life; men die searching for the very God who lives within them. Men seek for the treasures of the kingdom with yearning hearts and weary feet when they are all within the immediate grasp of living faith. Faith is to religion what sails are to a ship; it is an addition of power, not an added burden of life. There is but one struggle for those who enter the kingdom, and that is to fight the good fight of faith. The believer has only one battle, and that is against doubt--unbelief.

"In preaching the gospel of the kingdom, you are simply teaching friendship with God. And this fellowship will appeal alike to men and women in that both will find that which most truly satisfies their characteristic longings and ideals. Tell my children that I am not only tender of their feelings and patient with their frailties, but that I am also ruthless with sin and intolerant of iniquity. I am indeed meek and humble in the presence of my Father, but I am equally and relentlessly inexorable where there is deliberate evildoing and sinful rebellion against the will of my Father in heaven.

"You shall not portray your teacher as a man of sorrows. Future generations shall know also the radiance of our joy, the buoyance of our good will, and the inspiration of our good humour. We proclaim a message of good news which is infectious in its transforming power. Our religion is throbbing with new life and new meanings. Those who accept this teaching are filled with joy and in their hearts are constrained to rejoice evermore. Increasing happiness is always the experience of all who are certain about God.

"Teach all believers to avoid leaning upon the insecure props of false sympathy. You cannot develop strong characters out of the indulgence of self-pity; honestly endeavour to avoid the deceptive influence of mere fellowship in misery. Extend sympathy to the brave and courageous while you withhold overmuch pity from those cowardly souls who only halfheartedly stand up before the trials of living. Offer not consolation to those who lie down before their troubles without a struggle. Sympathize not with your fellows merely that they may sympathize with you in return.

"When my children once become self-conscious of the assurance of the divine presence, such a faith will expand the mind, ennoble the soul, reinforce the personality, augment the happiness, deepen the spirit perception, and enhance the power to love and be loved.

"Teach all believers that those who enter the kingdom are not thereby rendered immune to the accidents of time or to the ordinary catastrophes of nature. Believing the gospel will not prevent getting into trouble, but it will insure that you shall be unafraid when trouble does overtake you. If you dare to believe in me and wholeheartedly proceed to follow after me, you shall most certainly by so doing enter upon the sure pathway to trouble. I do not promise to deliver you from the waters of adversity, but I do promise to go with you through all of them."

[Adam]

Wally, Although the thoughts between you and Cal have been posted on this forum. I still consider them a private conversation. I do object to the quote of Jesus at the end of your post.
I suppose you have cut and posted it from the U. B.

If in the name of doing good and being good, you can manage to drop the U. B. I think that an understanding of the five stages of grief might aid you in coming out of the devils graveyard
( the U. B.).


The question is:

Is it reasonable to think about grief? When faced with tragedy?

Well all face grief. Its how we handle ourselves and trust in Father and listen to his messenger .
I say again its how well we as individuals listen to Fathers messenger. One dignified messenger of The Father has written Wally. It comes time to listen and learn. This is why the message of [Wally you can do this] has been delivered.

Your posting of Jesus in the third, fourth or fifth person, I view as an act of denial. Not an act of
anger. Could be trying to lay the seed of bargaining. Maybe some depression.

In order to get to acceptance, how about dropping quotes from the U. B. Once and for all.


The Kübler-Ross model first introduced by Elisabeth Kübler-Ross in her 1969 book "On Death and Dying", describes, in five discrete stages, a process by which people allegedly deal with grief and tragedy, especially when diagnosed with a terminal illness. The stages are known as the Five Stages of Grief.

The stages are:

1. Denial:
* Example - "I feel fine."; "This can't be happening, not to me!"
2. Anger:
* Example - "Why me? It's not fair!" "NO! NO! How can you accept this!"
3. Bargaining:
* Example - "Just let me live to see my children graduate."; "I'll do anything, can't you stretch it out? A few more years."
4. Depression:
* Example - "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "I'm going to die . . . What's the point?"
5. Acceptance:
* Example - "It's going to be OK."; "I can't fight it, I may as well prepare for it."

Kübler-Ross originally applied these stages to any form of catastrophic personal loss (job, income, freedom). This also includes the death of a loved one, divorce, drug addiction, or infertility. Kübler-Ross also claimed these steps do not necessarily come in the order noted above, nor are all steps experienced by all patients, though she stated a person will always experience at least two.

Others have noticed that any significant personal change can elicit these stages. For example, experienced criminal defense attorneys are aware that defendants who are facing stiff sentences, yet have no defenses or mitigating factors to lessen their sentences, often experience the stages. Accordingly, they must get to the acceptance stage before they are prepared to plead guilty.

Additionally, the change in circumstances does not always have to be a negative one, just significant enough to cause a grief response to the loss (Scire, 2007). Accepting a new work position, for example, causes one to lose their routine, workplace friendships, familiar drive to work, or even customary lunch sources.

The most common factor is when the person doesn't have the capacity to change their situation, at least not without considerable loss to themselves, thus a person who would go through these stages would not need to continue if they found a way out of the situation: e.g., If a person losing their house was at the bargaining stage but then somehow found a way out of the situation, then they'd have no reason to become depressed. So the 'stages of grief' could be linked to a lack of control or ability, e.g., people who have lost limbs, people on the bad end of an ultimatum, people under threat, and so on.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I didn't say you were a thief. I said and I'll repeat it. You are a person for whom everything is a for profit transfer. Profit being defined as something you want versus something else. Also Wally, you don't listen.

Once you asked for counsel on a business matter, as I had no idea re: character of the other individual involved, I asked Old One to take a quick look. He told you that you'd be swimming with sharks. You didn't listen and lived to regret it.

In another instance, you called me sharing your plans for something you wanted to do ( won't get into particulars). I told you that if you did this you'd be committing a grievous sin. Again, you didn't listen and went and did it anyway. When what you want is balanced against anything else - the want prevails.

You're like the donkey and the 2 by 4. One has to use the 2 x 4 to hit you across the head to get your attention. I can see why God had to strike you blind - to get your bloody attention. I'm not so inclined - but I have hung in there with you for a long time.


Also, I'm not interested in the money so don't bother. the issue was the value of your character - not the color of money.

There isn't a person on this planet who hasn't done something wrong or something stupid at one time or another and injured someone else in the process. Such is the nature of evil. Sin, on the other hand, is done with deliberation and forethought. The one you've committed renews itself EVERY SINGLE DAY. Again, you didn't listen beforehand and its doubtful you will now but now you know why you didn't pass muster with Father. So, don't shoot the messenger, you didn't stand my judgement but had you - you'd have failed also. Father's judgement was righteous and just. The real issue is what are you going to do about it?

You can keep the sin and keep the want or you and lose the want and lose the sin. As you've involved another person, there is no way to get this set to right without causing a great deal of pain and shame be upon thee for what you've done.

Right about now - you fire up the yes but's.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

By mutual agreement with Wally - this conversation is over.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Dinah

I received a good warning early on albeit from an inglorious source. Beware faceless voices.

Those who indulge channeling NEVER seek out confirmations that would make their subjective offerings rise to the level of objective evidence. The Teaching Mission is also an extremely intolerant and hateful group of people who show their true colors when their inconsistencies are highlighted.

Incidentally, I did note the similarity to Jorel. Now where are my smashing tights at

The soul - like Father - is non linear and immortal. As long as we are possessed of one - we are immortal as well.

Incidentally, Mesa Verde and Choco Canyon are pieces of the Angel's Lair complex - carvings and all.

Mesa Verde had a bad fire a few years ago and I reasoned that since the greenry had been removed, it would be worth a look.
I contacted the bureaucrat in charge to see if I could get into the outback. I told them that I could 'read' the carvings and would be happy to share my findings with them. They wanted me to submit a proposal blah blah blah blah. I decided there was too much ass kissing involved and I surely wasn't going to give up the location of the Lair to the government.

Choco also has a magnificient geometry that is best viewed from the air. In fact, it can only be appreciated from the air. These two places will be penal colonies in the not too distant future. Choco for men, Mesa Verde for women.

Choco can handle a population of 2 million.

Your sister sounds like she had a good run....

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Chaco and Mesa Verde were the center points for the Anastasi - The area was prestructured
for this ultimate purpose. In a post rapture enviroment, when there are no good souls left, the worst predators have to be separated from the general population. With them loose, they'd destroy everyone and everything. I intend also to reduce their living circumstances to those comparable to the 1800's. Thus forcing them to work together for their common survival.
The bulk of Congress will be the first residents then we'll empty all the prisons into these two places.

There is only one penalty for miscreance - immediate judgement - (ie death). If one man attacks another - he goes to judgement. If 5 men stand by, watch and do nothing to help the victim of the attack - they also go. The automated systems buried there will tend to escape attempts.

These people will learn how to care for each other.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Dinah

Pushy anything gets unattractive quick. For a while it was - HAVE YOU BEEN BORN AGAIN?
My answer was no - I got it right the first time.

but but but......

>>>Interesting that the men/women in Congress would be one of the first group to be put there. Corruption must be rampant there.

Each took an oath to serve, protect and defend the constitution. How many can you locate who are in compliance with the 10th Amendment?

[ophello]

I think this is the longest thread that HQ has ever seen.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

That must be it

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

You can't 'inhabit' - you can link to briefly. I attached one of my cat's once and got a very unique perspective on things

[Mortal]

I am reluctantly bumping this thread, despite a lot of off-topic discussion because I still have questions. I did read the whole thread, which was mind-numbing to say the least, so I don't know if I retained everything.

I have some simple questions about reincarnation that I'd very much like logical scientific answers to.

If I read correctly, souls came to this planet in the second 500,000 year segment of a 1,000,000 year timeline (if that's wrong, please disregard, unless it's relevant to my following questions). So:

- How many souls were there originally? Was this number arbitrarily chosen?

- Has the number of souls changed?

If not, how do we account for population fluctuation? Did the population ever drop below the original soul count?

Also, if the population goes over the original number, what of all the other humans? Are they soulless beings equivalent to roaming zombies?

If the number of souls does change, how are new souls created? What would differentiate a newborn baby having a new soul, due to increasing population, as opposed to a past soul reincarnating into this baby?

I probably have other technical questions I can't think of right now, but if you see what I am trying to understand here, please help me do so.

Lastly, at the risk of again changing the subject, do non-human animals have souls? If so, do all or some, and do they reincarnate? If they do reincarnate, is it only within their species, as is the case with humans (or so I'm led to believe)?

[Deleted]

Hey cal two questions,

Is everyone living "rapid-fire" incarnations as you have so put it about your own path, or are some of us dormant from mortal life in between lives?
Secondly, does judgement cover all of your lives, or just the most recent one and are there comparisons to where you have improved or fallen from past lives?

Den