Reincarnation

[z]

Op,

Any photo can be tweaked to anything. Photos / videos simply are no proves for anything these days. Well, exept security cameras that caughts thieves, car accidents and so on. These can be altered as well, therefore additional evidence must be examined, such as the traces of the actual 'event', so that it can be examined also without the videos and photos.

But, you can try this:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkeOUzKRzLY

Aftermath of the video.. "so..?".

I mean, what if the video would be authentic, real and proven to be true, what would happen? I'd say, nothing.

[ophello]

um...since this is not any photo but a photo from cal...your point is moot.

[z]

www.planetaryhq.com/gray.htm

Check that one.. There is a 'gray'.

Then, check yourself and examine what did change?

here:
www.planetaryhq.com/bobface.jpg

..is Cal's face in the stone.

Convinced? About what? How many more photos would make 'it' happen, and what 'it' is, what you are infact looking for?

[walompio]

Bob,

I am surprised that you would say something like that; that I am self centered. It's dissapointing really. Still, I guess I have to respect your opinion, but I know in my heart that I am not. There are countless acquaintances and family that would testify otherwise, but I don't need them because like I said, deep in my heart, I know what amd who I am, and aside from the self I offered when in personal experience with you and the group, I have not much else to show.

I'll tell you something else I am not .... an archangel. Yes it would be a lot of fun to think so; to play along with a make believe scenario which will differenciate me from the majority of people out there. But I am not; I am a human being, experiencing my very first existence just like 'most' people in this planet. Ans yes I say 'most', beacuse I am aware of beings who come in from the administration centers to study and aide; one of which I am not.

When we met originally, you said that 'old one' would be 'channeled' through J, then J spoke and said those things. I think that if this small group of people would have such key player characters like Peter, Adam, Eve, Judas, Thomas, Paul, and the revelation that one is a being like an archangel, or a melchizedek, or a Lanonandek were to be broken to someone new, it would merit a tad more than a 'channeling'.

Of our stargazing experience I'll tell you this. Along the lines of what Ophello says; If this unique group of people had traveled from different continents to meet together, some as far as Africa, Mexico etc, to have a once a year meeting to discuss items related to things like rapture and other Earth developments, the very least one would expect would be irrefutable evidence of the true nature of the group, the gathering and all other competing influences involved. What we saw is nothing of the like.

I saw satelites, but you saw ships. I saw shooting stars, but you saw laser beams. The ONLY very weird experience and I will admit to it was the ranger who came and saw us, chatted with you and I for a few minutes and then took off, and the next morning we asked the other ranger about 'who was patroling the previous day, and they knew of no one dispatched at all; that was weird...

Every light phenomena we saw there can be easily explained by even an amateur astronomer. Better yet .... I would be willing to bet anything that anyone can go out to such altitude, on any given clear night, and stare at the sky long enough to see many other identical displays than those we saw and quickly labled OO's ship and laser beams shooting ufo's down etc.

Can you see satellites?

Sure. Satellites reflect the light of the sun, allowing them to be seen from the ground. The best way to find them is by going outside on a dark night and stand (or sit!) facing south (or north, if you live in the southern hemisphere). (This is because most satellites orbit the equator of the Earth) A satellite will appear as a "star" moving slowly across the sky, usually from east to west or west to east.

Unlike meteors, satellites are slow-moving and yellow (not red-orange) due to the sun's reflected light.

The International Space Station can be particularly impressive to see. To know when and where to look for it, you can use some of the on-line ressources like Heavens above.

There are a few satellites that orbit in a north-south direction. Those are the spy satellites. If you see one, be sure to wave!

January 1999, Dave Kornreich (more by Dave Kornreich)

Here's another one:

That Star Is Moving! - Satellites!

Since the 1950’s the United States and other countries have placed over 4000 objects in orbit around the Earth. Some items, likemanned space missions, safely return to Earth. Other objects like communication satellites, telescopes, and space stations are designed to stay in orbit for years. All of these items are in some kind of orbit around the Earth.

We are able to track items as small as abaseball. Some of the larger and brighter objects can be seen every night as they pass silently overhead.We are used to seeing a static sky of unmoving stars, planets, comets, and the Moon. All of these items as well as the Earth are moving through space at a high rate of speed. We cannot detect their motion with our naked eye because they are so far away.

Humans are fascinated when they see something moving in the sky. Meteors have intrigued us for centuries. Airplanes no longergrab our attention as they blink overhead. Earth orbiting satellites are a recent obsession. If you know when and where to look, you can see these satellites and marvel at the fact that some of them contain humans.

It is easy to tell the difference between aircraft, meteors and satellites. Airplanes fly close to the Earth and will have red, white, andgreen flashing lights on them. We often see airplanes with bright landing lights. If these planes are heading straight toward us, thelights appear to be standing still. This causes many UFO reports.

Meteors move very quickly across the sky, usually in less than one second. Satellites are unique because they appear as a single point of light that moves slowly across the sky. They do not blink, andthey do not have multiple colors. Satellites are in constant motion around the Earth or Sun. If they were not moving, gravity would cause them to fall back to Earth or crash into the Sun. Their speed depends on how far “up” they are.

Many satellites, the ISS, and the space shuttles orbit 270 miles above the Earth at about 17,500 miles per hour or roughly 5 miles per second. At that speed, you could go from Maiden to Newton inone second! This speed allows one orbit of the Earth every 90 minutes with 45 minutes between sunrise and sunset. Satellites for weather and your satellite TV dish are 23,000 miles above the Earth. Their speed matches the speed of Earth’s rotation, so they alwaysstay at the same point in the sky.

Satellites are in specific orbits around the Earth depending on their mission. Satellites that need to pass over the entire surface of theearth such as spy satellites and the Space Station move south to north in polar orbits. Satellites that need to stay in one place about theearth such as those for weather, TV, and communications, are in orbits around the equator. Other satellites orbit between these extremes.

The Earth casts a shadow into space as it goes around the sun. We can see this shadow as the moon disappears during a lunar eclipse. For about three hours after sunset and before dawn each day, we can see satellites enter and leave the shadow as they orbit the Earth. From the satellite’s point of view, they experience a sunrise or sunset in less than one minute.

From Earth, we see a moving dot oflight fade into view, move across the sky, and then fade away. Satellites “shine” by reflecting sunlight. Many are covered with shiny metal or highly reflective white material. Even though they aresmall, they can be very bright. The International Space Station (ISS) is about the size of a football field and is covered with white andreflective metal surfaces. When it passes overhead, it can be brighter that everything else in the night sky except for Venus and theMoon.

Other objects such as the Hubble Space Telescope are harder to see because of their distance and composition. Sometimes a satellite will appear to change brightness regularly as it moves. These items are usually space junk such as old rocketboosters or dead satellites. The very slight drag of the thin upper atmosphere destabilizes their orientation and orbit and the objecttumbles through space. Depending on several factors, this tumbling could go on for years before the object falls out of orbit and burnsup on re-entry.We all know that everything entering the Earth’s atmosphere from space will get very hot. Temperatures can reach 3000 degrees andunless the object has a heat shield, it will burn up and shatter as it enters. This is what happened to the shuttle Columbia, the Russianspace station MIR, and the American station Skylab. It also happens to other satellites and space junk. These items are large andmassive. Unlike small meteors, many satellite and rocket pieces will survive the fall to Earth. Returning space junk will usually showup as multiple points of light often with smoke trails.

There is a special group of satellites that put on a very impressive show if you know when and where to look for them. The Iridiumsare a net of about 60 telephone communication satellites used by the U. S. Government. They are not overly large but they contain avery highly polished panel about the size of a door. When sunlight hits this panel, it reflects an extremely narrow beam of very brightlight or “flare” to a small portion of Earth. Unlike other satellites, this flare is visible only from a very tiny area. If you are at thecenter point of viewing intensity, the light can be very intense, like looking into a car headlight. The further away you are from thecenter point, the dimmer the light will be. You could see a bright flare in Hickory but only a dim glow in Maiden. Iridium flares.

If I see a ship, clearly get close enough for me to distinguish it's size and shape my friend .... there is no 'yes but' that could ever argue the unmistakeable, and this account of my experience would be a completely different read.

Look, I started writing on this thread because of the subject of reincarnation, not landing ufos on the Colorado Rockies, nor to talk about how I am an 'evil doer' a 'non ascendant' or a non believer despite 'logic, reason or fact' of 'proof'.

Everyone is entitled to see things as they see fit, even if it defies logical explanation. I am not trying to change your or anyone else's perception; I am merely expressing my own, and until such time as unmistakeable evidence forces me to re-evaluate my assesment, it shall remain as is.

I know I will never win an argument with you, especially here in your forum, and to continue prying on the matter is not my intent, but I have to defend my opinion and my point of view.

Perhaps I should just remain a silent reader, take the good lessons from the material, and reject that which I can not consolidate (like I always do)...

One last thing: The relationship between Father and I is private and personal, as is everyone's. You're right when you say that you don't know what Father's take on me is, nor you should. To each their own accountability to HIM for their actions. None is judge but HE.

[z]

I'd like to clarify my intention in my previous post.

Proofs, of ufos.

- Most of the time this means, that 'if' proofs are presented, 'then' one turns to be a monk, 'else' - the one continues to be a jackass.

Evil is a very subtle and clever 'thing' in bargaining stuff.
Being what one is, is no bargain, it is a choise.

[z]

Okay.. I've thought about this abit more and used 'me' as reference.

I've got proofs, whats the result?

- jackass monk.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I am surprised that you would say something like that; that I am self centered. It's dissapointing really.

Wally, I work off of evidence. From what I've seen, most things with you are a for profit transaction. With you - its about what you take, not what you give.

I'll tell you something else I am not .... an archangel.

When we met originally, you said that 'old one' would be 'channeled' through J, then J spoke and said those things. I think that if this small group of people would have such key player characters like Peter, Adam, Eve, Judas, Thomas, Paul, and the revelation that one is a being like an archangel, or a melchizedek, or a Lanonandek were to be broken to someone new, it would merit a tad more than a 'channeling'.

Your memory of things is wrong.

J began the link with Old One. Then I took it over and I spoke to you. You heard it from me and when you did, you became quite upset (on the verge of tears) and ran into the house hide your emotion.


Of our stargazing experience I'll tell you this. Along the lines of what Ophello says; If this unique group of people had traveled from different continents to meet together, some as far as Africa, Mexico etc, to have a once a year meeting to discuss items related to things like rapture and other Earth developments, the very least one would expect would be irrefutable evidence of the true nature of the group, the gathering and all other competing influences involved. What we saw is nothing of the like.

And they received it. Wet Dream Wally, on the other hand, rejected the massive amount of evidence including my face clearly carved into ancient stone.

As for being an archangel - as I said - on Earth it doesn't mean dip and I'm the last person who would elevate status based solely on birth. Old One felt it important for you to know your lineage and he gave it to you. There are 3 types of angels. Good ones, bad ones, and those in the middle trying to figure it out.

I saw satelites, but you saw ships. I saw shooting stars, but you saw laser beams. The ONLY very weird experience and I will admit to it was the ranger who came and saw us, chatted with you and I for a few minutes and then took off, and the next morning we asked the other ranger about 'who was patroling the previous day, and they knew of no one dispatched at all; that was weird...

hehehehe - yes shooting stars that began 50 feet above your head and went out and upwards. As for the phoney ranger, he was a bushwatcher. You'd been told in advance they would be in bloom. It begs the question of why I'd be worthy of their effort doesn't it.


Every light phenomena we saw there can be easily explained by even an amateur astronomer. Better yet .... I would be willing to bet anything that anyone can go out to such altitude, on any given clear night, and stare at the sky long enough to see many other identical displays than those we saw and quickly labled OO's ship and laser beams shooting ufo's down etc.

So now you're qualified to speak for astronomers. You'd lose your bet. Martin saw what he saw, low altitude, red ship being orbited by 2 smaller white ones and not at full night. Unless those satellites are cruising at less than 5000 feet - .........................
You are the ONLY one who has rejected the massive amount of evidence you've seen with your own eyes. That certainly is your privilege. Yet, it begs the question why, year after year, you're still here with someone who you think is FOS.

Yes but - what if - I believe.

HQ is built on evidence and fact. What one makes of it is up to them and one way or another. I neither gain or lose in the giving.

However, I will give you one example of your for profit mentality.

While here, you bought a walking stick and later asked me to ship it to you (telling me you'd pay for the shipping). I did - you didn't. Until now, I've not said anything about it because I considered the shipping fees a cheap investment in finding out who you truly are. I got my answer (and it confirmed my existing opinion). This is who you are and it is not consistant with your 'beliefs'.

Now you can wind up the yes buts and what if's again. That's the point it always comes back to.

Wally, you couldn't win an argument with me anywhere. Logic, reason and fact will always trump your arbitrarily chosen and self serving beliefs.

[ophello]

..is Cal's face in the stone.

Given that i have no idea what cal looks like, i am not in any position to answer.

the photo of the "gray" is extremely blurry and could be anything.

like I said: if OO is to be considered a friend of a friend, and flies a ship, i see nothing holding cal back from getting some clear, up-close-and-personal shots of the ship. that, coupled with everything else on HQ, would remove all doubt.

you can give me as many excuses you want ("theres no point, what good will it do? etc etc") but none of that is good enough. he knows OO and OO flies a ship. thats nothing short of incredible.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I haven't given you an 'excuse'. I don't consider ships relevant nor do I think fords or toyotas are relevant.

As for the pic of the gray - it isn't blurry - its pixilated. I had to blow it up 3x to make the gray easier to see.

As to your comments about OO, at Adven 2 he did make an appearance at low level, in the company of a smaller ship and did a fly over our camp site flashing his landing lights as he did.

The Advens saw it and that was the point of it. Whether you believe it or not - has no relevance to anything whatsoever. There is a reason I don't indulge ufo forums, mufon and the rest of that ilk. They AREN'T RELEVANT. I don't care about proving the existence of ufos. I already know the answer. Nor would I wish to join the ranks of the true believers who think Betty Boop from Alpha Centauri is real. I'd rather hang out with the Tooth Fairy.

50 more light in the sky photos mean dip.

Incidentally, do a color analysis of the gray and you'll find it doesn't match any of the surrounding material.

[ophello]

(Just so there is no misunderstanding, my comment about making excuses was directed to z, not you.)

as to ufos, YOU may not consider them relevant. but to the hundreds of people on this forum who have never met you and have no reason to believe in you, and to the potentially thousands of visitors to HQ, it is ENTIRELY relevant. for many people out there, the UB is the only "evidence" for them. on HQ we have photos of rocks, the interpretation of which is entirely subjective. people will be more likely to listen to you if you have hundreds of incredible photos of a LOW flying ship.

if the ship in question were to get close enough, it would be more than a mere light in the sky. ideally we would be able to make out details as small as a dime, and maybe a thumbs-up out the window.

or, do you prefer not to attract TOO much attention to this forum? maybe im not clear on your reasoning behind making HQ in the first place. If it was designed to convince as many people as possible that you are who you say you are, it falls painfully short of that goal. perhaps this isnt your intention anyway.

imagine OO parking over your house at 100 ft. grab your camera and take about 300 photos and post them on HQ. these will mean much more to many more people than your breakdown of TRC or red rock formations. and if more people turn to your website AND believe you, what harm is there in that? would this world not be better off if more people came here and had a chance to hear straight from the horses mouth?

[e-Male]

Oct 27, 2008 21:13:41 GMT -5 ophello said:

maybe im not clear on your reasoning behind making HQ in the first place. If it was designed to convince as many people as possible that you are who you say you are, it falls painfully short of that goal. perhaps this isnt your intention anyway.

Op,

When I first visited this site because I saw a huge green meteor, and tried Googling them, I found Cal's page on Green Meteors. Which, without reading anything else, led me to quickly believe I'd found a truly off-the-chart New Age fringe UFO cult site.

Until I backed up and read the Declarations page www.planetaryhq.com/declare.htm. In there, Bob provides the intro, and Cal provides the purpose of this site. Specifically, Cal wrote:

"For many years, truths about your origins and what you are were withheld from you. I deemed this necessary if you were to successfully complete your course of study on Earth. It comes time now to remove the blinders and to allow an appreciation of what was done and why it was done and what is to come. "

I'd opine that's about as clear a purpose for this site as one could hope to encounter.

And because of the rest of the material on PlanetaryHQ, I stay, and read, and learn, and just enjoy, and sometimes get bold and post.

If for no other reason to stay, this site is frequented by people I admire for their values and sensibilities. And "owned and operated" by either a man with world-class delusions or the true Prince of this world. I'm banking on the latter. Maybe for no better reason than that he's never insisted anyone believe him, nor follow him, nor contribute anything. That's a rather peculiar delusion of grandeur, I'd say. And I find his proofs creditable -- sometimes astonishing.

And just now I'm experiencing a world-class case of deja vu writing this. No idea what that means.

/e

[z]

Op,

that was one of the reasons I called Cal on skype couple years ago.

- Carving 'is' accurate, with baseball cap and all.
Cal turned his head to same angle, so I had a good look to his profile to compare.
Would you go this extra mile to proove yourself to an ordinary guy from north pole? I suspect not.

people will be more likely to listen to you if you have hundreds of incredible photos of a LOW flying ship.

Yes. Thousands of people would be focusing on another thrill, instead of the point: Father, ascendancy.
People would be willing to follow blindly, like they do the profit yahweh. Why don't you btw, jump on his group? You'd be seeing things, what you want, in no time. If they accept whitedude ofcourse.

[walompio]

Bob,

When I was leaving after our second trip, and I realized that carrying the stick in the airplane was not an option, we discussed the situation and S agreed to mail for me, at which time I handed her the shipping cost. S is as we know a very busy gal and couldn't do it, so the stick remained there. I wanted to have it because 1) I have a colleciton of them 2) It was with me throughout the hike and I wanted to keep of as a souvenir 3) I paid for it.

I can't believe you are trying to turn that shipping cost issue against me man. If I wanted to gain something from you I would have enforced honoring our original agreement for translating TRC, which later I offered to nullify due to your kindness and generosity in inviting me over, and sharing your experience.

When you and J announced that I was Paul, and that I am an incarnate Archangel I had to step out from the group and gather my thoughts. You came after me and asked me if I was OK and I told you that I had to digest all the info I had just received. It's not everyday that someone comes along to tell you something like that. I had to remove myself from the moment and THINK.

I don't want anything from anybody. I like to see others treat me with the same respect as I treat them. You've got me figured out all wrong sir...

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

as to ufos, YOU may not consider them relevant. but to the hundreds of people on this forum who have never met you and have no reason to believe in you, and to the potentially thousands of visitors to HQ, it is ENTIRELY relevant.

I'd submit that you are making the same error in logic all of the ufo types make. Chasing the ship isn't the point - chasing the drivers 'is'. It was far easier for me to nail the driver than it would have been to catch the ship. In 50+ years, no one from Mufon has ever caught a ship. The fact speaks for itself.

As to credibility - HQ has been up 10 years now. Have you ever seen me tell a lie? Never. I've established a long record of truthfulness and credibility WITH WITNESSES. That you aren't one of them means nothing nor does it lessen my credibility. If you put your faith in hardware - you're going to end up disappointed.



for many people out there, the UB is the only "evidence" for them. on HQ we have photos of rocks, the interpretation of which is entirely subjective. people will be more likely to listen to you if you have hundreds of incredible photos of a LOW flying ship.

The UB doesn't begin to meet any test of 'evidence'. I would agree with you that the rock sculptures are interpretative. It was for that reason I went looking for the same story elsewhere and eventually decrypted the Revelation Code. Small surprise that Angel's Lair appears in the code as New Jerusalem. There is no interpretation in the code. Both sources tell the same story.


if the ship in question were to get close enough, it would be more than a mere light in the sky. ideally we would be able to make out details as small as a dime, and maybe a thumbs-up out the window.

And if the queen had balls she'd be king. I had a fly at my place on 1/1/08 at 4:30 a.m. Old One. No more than 3 miles away and at low altitude Instead of a small light in the sky - it was a larger light in the sky. Again - big deal.

or, do you prefer not to attract TOO much attention to this forum?

I'm not selling anything and those who have need will be directed to it BY FATHER. You assume I have something to gain here and I don't.

maybe im not clear on your reasoning behind making HQ in the first place. If it was designed to convince as many people as possible that you are who you say you are, it falls painfully short of that goal. perhaps this isnt your intention anyway.

Perhaps you should reread chapter one. I don't care if you believe me or in me. I put up the truth - you take it or leave it as YOU will.

imagine OO parking over your house at 100 ft. grab your camera and take about 300 photos and post them on HQ. these will mean much more to many more people than your breakdown of TRC or red rock formations.

The truth will inspire those looking for the truth. A Toyota will inspire people to nothing and if you think it will - your vision is seriously skewed. The arguments you make here lack logic on all points. Furthermore, I don't tell Old One how to do his job and am 100% certain that indulging you would serve no good purpose. Hell, I don't even have a working camera. That's how little I care about it.

and if more people turn to your website AND believe you, what harm is there in that? would this world not be better off if more people came here and had a chance to hear straight from the horses mouth?

And they do have the chance to come hear and hear it from the horse's mouth. Your faith and belief should be in the Father, not in a hunk of flying metal. Go to the airport and try worshipping a 747 for all the good it will do you

[ophello]

my point is not about worshiping a hunk of metal.

anyone can pretend to be an angel. no one can provide an extraterrestrial piece of hardware with technologies the likes of which have never been seen.

pictures of rocks, words on paper, and a message forum are enough for your purposes. I am suggesting that a photo of a flying craft (and a CLEAR photo, preferably during the day time) is going to lend you more credibility than ten thousand photos of rocks or a 300-page breakdown of TRC.

Why am i bringing this up? Not because I think you havent made a good case -- you have, cal. Im not the one who needs convincing. I KNOW you arent trying to sell anything. I KNOW you arent asking for people to believe you. You dont need to repeat yourself on these points.

But if you ask me, i say if what you say is the TRUTH, then whatever means you have of showing people the truth can and should be pursued. You say you put the offering on the table and leave it for other people to decide. Thats FINE! But the hardware of a ship CAN lead people to the truth. Z says he saw a green meteor, which led him HERE. Z was not worshiping the meteor. He SAW with his EYES. The five senses are a means to understand TRUTH.

I say again: why NOT provide all the evidence you can? dont the people of earth deserve to know the truth? why not help them to know the truth and use all methods possible?

at the end of the day, i know what you will say: no point. why chase the ship when you can chase the driver? well cal, i dont know the first thing about chasing the driver, and if I met the driver and he looked human, that does not convince me he is REALLY the driver unless he then shows me a fancy tri-corder or a photo album of him partying with betty boop from alpha centauri.