Reincarnation

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

We're getting somewhere with this point I think... So, if the vision is variable and it may not be in-line with the truth, then why are those with the limited vision judged poorly?

One is not judged on their vision but on their deeds and choices.
Your comment assumes that the person is judged based upon what they lack the ability to see. Father doesn't work that way.
One called to service HAS the ability - but chooses not to use it.

In the case of the second whore, a nephalim, she had limited dimensional abilities - so Father proffered proofs at a level of understand she could comprehend. It is the same for the two who went south. They came, they saw, they chose another path.
Neither are, in my opinion, 'bad' people. Neither wanted to handle the world of hurt that was dumped on them and went into a direction other than Father. Like the others, both were advised in advance of what would happen.

> no, I am disagreeing with the whole reincarnation principle, why would I indulge in believing in carrying anything over into future lives...

I wouldn't want to begin to answer the 'why' you do what you do.
The only 'thing' a person can carry between lifetimes is the experience gained. As that wealth of experience grows, more is expected of that individual. Just as one progresses through grade school. The work for the 8th grade is more difficult than it was in the 1st grade. As to what you believe - that's your call.

Look, I am not going to dissect what you wrote last and continue on a discussion that I know wll not end. We always seem to reach the same roadblocks:

The roadblock is always the same - you. Why not consider the truth of the comment.

> Speaking of rcks. Why do you feel that you have to resort to people like Michael Tellinger to get information about rock carvings?

I have no idea who Michael Tellinger is. What I know results from 'my' journey and no one else's.


Shouldn't you be led to these places the same way you arrived at AL? .. by way of visions or dreams?

Should I attempt to dictate how Father chooses to operate? I think not.

Something else.. The things you say about me, make it seem as if I was some kind of self serving leech who feeds on others for auto aggrandizement. We shared about 20 days of face to face experience and that is what you conclude of me? Do you really think I am so self centered?

Wally, we've shared years - some of it face to face. As I've said, I found you to be a highly likeable person. The point at which you are stuck is you. As long as it remains about 'you', you'll not progress. It is through service to others - we serve ourselves.
When you get that - you'll clear the self imposed roadblocks.

You 'see' the situation clearly. You've identified it in this post. You can not claim ignorance. The only issue is if you'll rise to be what you can be - or not.

Do any of the advens share this impression?

You'd have to ask them. I wouldn't presume to speak for them.

[Adam]

Do you really think I am so self centered? Do any of the advens share this impression?

Wally when I was younger I used to use people to get what I wanted. Especially women.

My actions gained me nothing. Today (I think), what is in the best interest of the individual. In the doing I see their humanity. It feels like I am looking threw Father's eyes. My thoughts are, [ I can do better]. Father has given me a chance to prove it.

As to you Wally you are a likeable person. The reason I did not join you in sticking out half my body and head (in the back of the beastie) and tapping the roof and singing with you was because Cal's fiberglass roof was giving me splinters on my arms. And yet you were not bothered at all. Looking back, your skin is thick. Which was a good thing. As everyone enjoyed your enthusiasm. Do you see how I put you first?

This is how a person breaks out. By serving others first. When I was in Hawaii, I was told that the women and children eat first. If only I would have understood this truth in my youth. I would be a better man today.

Why do we come to Earth? Experience for soul growth of course. Jeeze I hope to by- pass OO when my soul review comes up for examination. Some of the dumb things that I have done will give him plenty of material. My defense? Father as a matter of course. Father understands all.

I don't want to see you go down Wally. Father, Family, Country.

[Adam]

However I stand with Father and his loyal Son's.

[Adam]

And Father loyal daughters...sorry Gal's...I don't mean to disrespect you.

[walompio]

David, if I had the slightest indication that what I was doing was causing you to get fiberglass splinters on your arm ... I would have stopped instantly. I would never do something for joy which resulted on another person's discomfort or pain... ever!

Bob, I clearly understand everything you said. We go around this over and yet over again. I don't want to bore you or get bored with the continuous beating of the dead horse...



I may be wrong .... but I could almost bet that this guy talks and sounds almost exactly like you... Well I could be wrong, after all, how many Bobs are there in Coloardo?

Caller at 9:17 to end of clip on
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AmKzRSNu20

And Beggining from 00:00 to 1:45 on
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov3Y8gEewvY

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[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Wally

Let me translate.

Do you think I'm self centered - answer = yes.

Then Dave essentially says 'hey, we've all done dumb things' and we also have a Good Father out there who understands.

The only people who don't run the risk of poor behaviors are already in graveyards.

Wally, The Good Father loves all His children and when you've stood in the light of it - it alters you forever because you've seen the truth with your own eyes - but first - you have to accept the foundational premise of service. As I serve the Father, so also he serves me. I do as he wishes and he provides what I need in my journey. My trust in Him is the only absolute I have in my life. It is His Will to be done - not mine.

As I have people beneath me who serve me - so I also I serve them. Together we travel in association not as master and slave.

I once had a Hindu immigrant who worked for me and I made a point of helping him assimilate to into life here. He was a nice fellow as well. One day he asks why I've given him so much help. In his country - knowledge is sold. I pointed out that he couldn't afford me 'but' what's the worst that can happen? At the very least - I might make a friend and I lost nothing in the giving.

I had a spare 'cloak' (in this case knowledge) and saw nothing wrong with sharing it. When the man left my employ (on good terms) he took what he'd learned from me and went into the market business. The last I heard, he had 3 stores. I view myself as the richer for it.

In high school, I was considered most likely to be arrested. No one would believe it if they could see me now

[Parn]

Haha, and that's why I've always disregarded the high school "most likelys" as a bunch of crock. I never was in it, but then again, I've been an unknown having gone to three different ones.

[Adam]

David, if I had the slightest indication that what I was doing was causing you to get fiberglass splinters on your arm ... I would have stopped instantly. I would never do something for joy which resulted on another person's discomfort or pain... ever!


And that's not the point. Not only are you thick in skin. You are thick in the head as well. You put me first by not insisting that I join you. Do this for others and you will get it. The fiberglass was not of your making. As to other peoples discomfort or pain for (joy)...no you would not do.

As to others discomfort or pain to get what you want...I am thinking yes you would. You see Wally you are of Angelic birth and deep down you think that humans are less than (my opinion of course). While Father and his loyal Son's say we are equal based upon judgement (ascendancy).

This is what you have failed to understand. Why do you think that I brushed you off in camp?

We should have been two amigo's. You were hiding, I was not. And believe me I was being looked at closely. On the ground and from above. If one passes Cal's scrutiny, one has a shot at the good life. But truth be told I had my problems as well. How did I overcome? Repentance - open mindedness, then listen to Father.

And I mean true repentance....the kind that greatly worries ones soul ( and I do mean its game time, make or break). And then the answers come.

I know its true. If a soul is truly troubled and seeks Fathers help. Father steps up to the plate and knocks it out of the park. While the rest of us try to understand what just happened.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

For those missing some of the details here. When I hit town, I bought a 76 Chevy Blazer because I needed a 4 wheel drive. My two wheel drive wouldn't get me into the Lair nor was it worth diddly with snow on the ground. It can carry five people seated and 2 stuffed into the rear with the spare tire. Not particularly comfortable for those two. It has an old fiberglass half shell over the back. While she's old, she still remembers how and 'the beastie' has been good to me. Also, I've taken her into places you wouldn't want to take a 'good' car and I don't have to worry about the paint getting scratched etc. She's just perfect for what I needed her for. 32 years old and she can still make a steep slope over rough terrain. Actually, she's better off road than on.

After I picked Wally up from the airport, we had just gotten back to town when I heard clunk - pop - grind. I managed to limp into the station where I get my work done and learned the engine was shot. I'm still suspicious about Wally's presence for the event (just kidding). I eventually replaced the engine and borrowed another smaller truck for the adven week. As it turned out, the bushwatchers were waiting for us BUT they were looking for the Beastie and we drove right by them unnoticed Old One ultimately fessed up to trashing the engine saying it was close to going anyway (probably true) but the timing was critical and he chose to avail himself of the chance to lose the bushwatchers.

We camped at 9000 feet and had a commanding view of everything. Old One parked over us and was shooting off white lasers as warnings to those who would try to get positioned to get a shot at us. These were visible. To the south - a 500 footer (red) held position. Off in the distance (east) we saw two ships chasing two others off. This was repeated later. There was a lot of effort put into our security for that weekend.

Now, everyone saw the same things. Yet, 24 hours after coming off the mountain - wet dream Wally was flourishing his yet buts and what ifs. It was what it was. Even sitting out in my back yard, another year, there were ships flying cover. Old One flashed him with that 500 footer of his and he admitted it wasn't a plane or satellite (until the next morning and the yes buts were back). 4 ships flying in formation and they must have been satelites. How many such things fly in formation? None.

Now, you might imagine some frustration here. We have angels who came into mortality that have fallen and have failed judgement. The one known as Peter - Non ascendant. The Whore of Babylon is a Melchezidek - non ascendant. The one called Paul - non ascendant. The one called Anti-Christ - Lanonandek - non ascendant.

The one known as Judas - ascendant. The one called Thomas - ascendant. The one called the Prince of this World - ascendant.

Of the Advens. Two Melchezideks, One Adam, Two Arch Angels, One Elder, One Lananonandek and One Good Man - all ascendant.

While I would not have said it publically, Dave let the cat out of the bag so...yes - wally is an archangel.

Dave speaks with a true aire of humility. He always figured, that if any of the Advens were to fail - it would be him. I didn't disagree.
In time, I grew frustrated with his lack of progress but I went to Father and discussed the matter and he told me to endure and not give up on him. I did as he bade me and, in the end, Father was right.

The Advens are in my food chain and I answer ONLY to the Father.
It follows their judgements were performed, not by me, but by Father Himself. None were found wanting.

Wally's judgement also came from Father for reasons I don't care to discuss. He was found wanting. As he chose to bring this to public note on the forum, I'm not betraying any confidence.

Morality is the great equalizer and being an 'angel' here doesn't mean dip. Nor should it. This is the proving ground where you find out what you're made of.

You might be a king or a little street sweeper but sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper.

Wally - I don't know what Father's take is on you - but I haven't given up on you. You can do this.

[imbasile]

Cal - is/are everyone on this planet an angle of some type? (angles are the children of God) I'm getting confused because of the wording perhaps. Non-soul types are regular humans, soul types are regular humans and or angles? What constitutes a "regular" human type?

[ophello]

Why not ask OO to fly low enough for you to get a clear shot with a camera?

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Imbasile

No, you have 3 populations a few angels, 1% Nephalim and the bulk of the population is mortal.

Op

Wouldn't work - you can still yes but and what if the photo. If you can't believe your own eyes, there's no level of proof that will suffice.

[ophello]

So you're saying if you get a shot of a low-fly by in broad daylight...that doesnt cut it? I beg to differ.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

What does it prove? The existence of ET's is well established even in the Bible. The fight isn't to prove their existence but to get the government to admit it. As you might surmise, there isn't a long line of bureaucrats wanting to do it

[ophello]

i still see no reason NOT to.