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Post by Adam on Nov 22, 2008 2:18:50 GMT -5
Note to myself: Never borrow money from Cal. Too many scenarios.
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Post by maddoctord on Nov 22, 2008 11:15:21 GMT -5
maxI was reading the comments that were posted on the blog you mentioned and I am quite appalled by what I saw. Anti-Semite and racism all around. The article in of itself is rather vague, but there was one particular comment that caught my eye, then it just fell into the same bigotry that was with the majority of the other comments. Since it would be better for ya'll to see rather than search through the garbage, I'll post it herein.
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Post by akira on Nov 22, 2008 15:53:57 GMT -5
slight modification - 'everything turns out to be ok, and you just mis-read the signs on this one.'
Cali i know you're chomping at the bit for a formidable adversary, but I don't think Johnny B Hope is it.
I know i'm curious and more worried about the nameless and faceless who put him in the position to attain the office, if by some very odd happenstance he really was the poison pill politician you suspect he is. Conspiracies, successful ones anyway, rarely start from the bottom up. And it the pawns that never enjoy the goal or outcome of such an endeavour.
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Post by Caligastia Lanonandek on Nov 22, 2008 16:57:47 GMT -5
Akira The 'conspiracy' here has been on going, incrementally and systematically, since the 1930's when the bare faced communist Baldwin founded the ACLU. The standard operating procedure was/is to divide the populace into two groups - the haves and the have nots. The later being willing to sell their souls to the idea that the haves don't have their money by virture of good work but are robber barons and it is the purpose of the state to seize their earnings and possessions to redistribute to the have nots as payment for their 'votes'. They've further subdivided us into hypenated Americans throwing resources at one group at the expense of another. Now, we're at their end game. It shouldn't be a surprise that the communist proponents are all multi-millionaires. We have a 70 year track record to look at and my opinions are based upon history. This country was not founded upon one man one vote. Doing so replicates the error that killed Rome in the 600's. ie public resources being dedicated to the purpose of buying votes (bread and circuses). Obama received 92% of the black (hypenated american) vote. In a world where racial bigotries were not in play - that would be closer to 50/50. Yet such a world does not exist in the United States and Orwellian correct speak establishes that white bigoty is bad and black bigotries are somehow ok. That 92% black vote qualifies as what communists call useful idiots and the welfare of the nation means nothing. The exploitation and aggrandizement of this group is only beginning, above and beyond two generations of government mandated discrimination against whites. It is only a matter of time that the hard feelings of 40 years surface (within a greater scenario of civilian unrest). Alone, nothing will happen - but if civil war breaks out - then those inclined to settling scores will put their animus into the equation. These equations are written into recorded history. There is nothing new here. One thing I've heard on news reports are that white people are fearful. Not true - ANGRY! there is no fear. 40 years of repression are just the platform. Whether Obama prevails or not - the country is in for a rough ride and the wolves are at the door licking their chops. There are secessionist movements in Texas, Alaska and Oklahoma. It is more than likely these will grow beyond what is currently viewed as fringe elements. There is one other number that is historically valid. 2%. The American Revolution began with only 2% of the population actively involved. This is true for other revolts as well. I suggest you read the declaration of Independence. The Formula for revolt is listed therein www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htmThat to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.These are the words of Thomas Jefferson also known as The Son of God.
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Post by akira on Nov 22, 2008 17:35:48 GMT -5
repression and oppression. two resentful spouses bound together by mutual dislike, and an innate need for the other.
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the haves, of course are being played as the other part of the divide and conquer equation. 'they will do anything to protect what they have from those designated as have-nots', also being manipulated by the manipulators. Or in other words, a little "insurance".
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Post by Mortal on Nov 22, 2008 17:49:45 GMT -5
How would you see a revolution playing out in our time? Fighting against the British Empire with guns was one thing, but the tactics would have to be entirely different now. How do you think the police and military would each side? It seems like it'd be much easier in our time for the Executive branch, with the resources they have, to control resistance, unless there were enough people within on our side.
I'm also concerned that certain powers would seize upon the turmoil created by a revolution, and use it against us to take control, leaving us worse off than before.
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Post by max on Nov 22, 2008 18:46:13 GMT -5
On the other hand, they identified a missing gene necessary for inclusion into the Marines. IF that was the case I am SOOOOOOO glad mine is missing!!!
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Post by Caligastia Lanonandek on Nov 22, 2008 19:02:18 GMT -5
Akira - your comments didn't make a lot of sense to me except as an attempt to diminish the severity of the situation. Hang onto that thought. It won't serve well..
Mortal
It depends where the spark lights the wildfire. I believe Obama is the impetus combined with all the other elements that contribute to the Perfect Storm. ie: the straw that broke the camel's back. We'll never know how many Acorn 'votes' were involved in his election and the powers that be aren't going to try and find out. However, at Obama +1 day, gun stores recorded their best sales EVER! This says a lot. I was in that line.
If we are to believe the numbers 50 percent of the population doesn't buy the communist dogma proffered bythe government or in our schools. 2% is all that is required for the fire to light up and given the gun and ammo sales on the day after the election, me thinks it speaks for itself. Also consider that a good portion of that 50% has military training. There would be competent generals on the rebellion side. Consider that Robert E Lee was offered command of the Union forces. He declined and took charge of the Rebel forces.
If the original strike is surgical, targeting only the persons of prominent communists - then government isn't forced to deploy en masse to protect its institutions and buildings etc.
If declarations of secession come up - that results in an en masse assault on the states involved. First the communists would attempt to buy them off (they think everyone can be bought). At this point the states have two courses of action. Deploy national guards and militias to fight or to ignore them and refuse to obey federal laws. (Ghandi's non violent approach).Refusing to obey the federal income tax and other dictums. Regardless, either way, the more force employed, the more people will be driven to rebellion. For the government, its a Catch 22 situation - damned if you do damned if you don't. Another gov response would be to seal off the state from transport, communications, food etc.
Alaska could survive such an effort as it has ports and a border with canada. Ditto for Texas and Mexico. Oklahoma could not and this would force violence - no one stands in line to starve to death. Also Oklahoma has a very large native American population. So there's no love lost for the government there. Yet, if Texas and OKlahoma went out together, OK could supply through Texas.
Back in the 80's, the communist press made big deals about the various 'militias' painting them as nuts. I'm reasonably certain that such groups are ripe with federal snitches so it's unlikely they would be the source for the initial efforts. I don't see them as attack elements as much as defense elements.
Instead, I'd see a Michael Corelone effort where the family business is settled at the same time. This assumes there is an element so organized. I suspect there is.
My reasoning for this relates back to the militias. These people have been collecting munitions etc for more than 20 years - the bulk of which have been stolen from the military. They saw where this could go. They bury their arms and line them with material that fouls ground penetrating radar. 20 years worth of preparation speaks to a lot of arms.
I suppose the real issue is where the military will come down. Obama would endeavor to get rid of any commander that wouldn't be 100% loyal to him. This means replacing them with predominantly black commanders. This would not go down well with the rank and file. Orders to attack Americans would not play well either. The military is not populated with an abundance of useful idiots.
As for tactics - I suppose it depends totally upon what the government does. The evidence is full that the communists lack competence on almost all fronts. Further, they'd be inclined to use force. They are devoid of 'ideas' and the ability to think beyond the Communist Manifesto. If things were to break out into the open, their subversion methodologies wouldn't work.
A historical comparison should be made between the communist revolution. There was great dissatisfaction with the rule of Czar Nicholas. This provided fertile ground for manipulation.
The elements of extreme poverty that existed there, do not exist here. Hell, in Los Angeles HUD apartment buildings have air conditioners AND sometimes swimming pools.
Also, we have a small upper class, a small lower class and a very large middle class. In Russia the largest element was the lower classes.
Have you ever wondered how it was that some Jews in Germany saw it coming and others didn't? The American mindset is so against just obeying because some group of bureaucrats passed a law. Hitler had laws too. The issue becomes the breaking point and I think we're at it.
It could very well be that the post I've just written will be deemed illegal in the not too distant future as the first amendment becomes non existant. At this point, the Constitution is mostly dead, but not totally. Speaking against communists is deemed treasonable or subversive. If we were to follow the Bill Aires model, I'd be in a 'reeducation' camp or dead
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Post by max on Nov 22, 2008 20:13:09 GMT -5
First let me say, I didn't read many of the comments - I also saw too much racism in the few I did read. Also, I had never been to any of these websites before... except the initial one that linked to the others. They were asking questions 'is it real', 'is it a hoax', 'is it information gathering only', etc. Last night I listened to 2 radio shows, one from Friday, 21 Nov, Hour 1 - Retired Military recalled and General Mobilization; the other one was Mon, 17 Nov, Hour 2 - Troops and Officers to be Recalled, Trailer Housing Facilities Placed at Power Plants; American Electrical Power (AEP), Guns Bought at Huge Rate Following Election, Cell Phone Tracking: National Intel Report republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=archives.month&ProgramID=1&year=8&month=11&backURL=index.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives.getyear%2526ProgramID%253D1%26year%3D8%26backURL%3Dindex.php%253Fcmd%253Darchives It was very late/early morning when I was listening so I hope I got it correctly. Monday was the original call from John Moore. (I don't know who he his, never heard of him before.) He says he watches for 'indicators' [indicators that warn us of what might be coming] Moore then stated he 'works closely with many people in the alphabet organizations, the military, etc. Since we cannot rely on the MSM for truth it is up to us to discern it for ourself.' [paraphrased] They read a letter in Hour 1 (Friday) from a woman army officer in St. Louis. She stated that these letters are IRR and something that is done on a regular basis. However, Moore said he still stands by his remarks which were; the letters going out were to 'RETIRED' officers only, to begin with. They are considered a sort of reaquaintance letter. The veteran must update his medical and service records with current information. Moore went on to say that the mobilzation letters will come later and expects more information next week. He stated that he got the info from a friend of ten years who is in the military, and works in one of the buildings where the letters originated. That his friend (knowing what Moore does in providing 'indicators' to the people) gives him information that he thinks Moore should know. On the racism that surrounds some of the blogs - the Republic Broadcasting host never went that route. This site seems to be about news and facts. They cite some of the things we have discussed here, the run on gold, acorn, etc. , The host repeatedly said, 'I don't want to add my opinions to it I want to report the truth only, especially since so many military and veterans listen to us'. All in all, I think time will tell. There is absolutely a ton of unrest out there. Personally, I think Cal has hit it square on the head with his posts. I too believe that BO may be the tipping point. One gun shop owner said he could have sold 2000 AR-15's, the day after election day, if he'd had them.
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Post by Caligastia Lanonandek on Nov 22, 2008 22:33:52 GMT -5
The AR-15 is the Civilian version of the M16 Military issue. With a little filing on the firing pin, it becomes fully automatic. Thank God and the Founding Father's for the second amendment.
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Post by Jerseyboy on Nov 22, 2008 23:45:01 GMT -5
For those on a budget.
For half the price of Ar-15 or less, ($500-700) the AK-47 can be purchased through online auctions, gun shows, and many pawn shops.
Ar-15 is very lightweight, accurate and dependable, and ammo american made, fast, and plentiful. However they need lots of TLC and thorough frequent cleaning, and have delicate mechanisms.
AK-47 can be submerged in wet mud, taken out, fired, dunked, fired, let dry in sun, fired, etc. Considered the simplest, sturdiest, most dependable battle rifle, with decent accuracy ~250yds.
It's older brother, the SKS, has a smaller standard 10rd clip, (though 30rd clips can be purchased) is a bit more accurate and $230-350 at pawn shops. Yugo model has small grenade launcher.
Same ammo for both, very inexpensive and plentiful. 7.62x39. But beware ammo source, lots of old corroded ammo lying around the commie block countries getting shipped out these days while they keep the good stuff for themselves, which leads to another point, the ammo isn't made in US, so stock up while u can. Wolf brand is dependable.
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Post by JB on Nov 24, 2008 10:45:21 GMT -5
I didn't hear mention of the extremist Muslim factor addressed in the possible scenarios unfolding in the near future. According to World Net Daily, CAIR was just delivered a body blow at their Annual Gala event in Wash D.C. last night. worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81863I was thinking that most Jihadist cells are probably prepped and primed to take advantage of the chaotic fallout from the Obama subterfuge. The director of the Northeast Intellegence Network, Douglass Hagmann analyzed the activity around the introduction of S.R. 511 in April 08 by 5 democratic senators including Obama and Clinton. Ostensibly, 511 was introduced to clarify the intent of the founder's usage of "natural born citizen" (a term claimed in the bill to be undefined by the constitution) as prereq. for executive eligibility, by concluding that a person born outside the USA to Military parents is certainly eligible to fit the term "natural born citizen". The original language of 511 can be read here. In Mr. Hagmann's article dated 11/18/08, he states that "Closer scrutiny of this resolution, however, finds that the resolution actually was expanded far beyond what was necessary to merely apply to Senator McCain: it was expanded to include naturalized citizens, which ironically was the "cause of death" for this resolution." The link to his article is here. www.homelandsecurityus.com/20081118DJHWhether or not this non-binding resolution was killed or not, I cannot confirm, but the 6th stipulation could easily be seen as a feeble attempt to include OBAMA's actual status as congruent with being a natural born citizen. 6. Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President. This tells me it is probable that those highest in the Commie food chain have known very well what will probably go down around this issue and are prepared to use the riots, especially in LA which is being surrounded by arson fires, as an opportunity to launch Al qaida and Hamas type sympathetics on to their final destinations, especially now that CAIR is under the spotlight. A perfect storm indeed. The language of the bill appears to validate this.
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Post by stephen on Nov 24, 2008 12:32:24 GMT -5
I guess the Supreme court will have to decide which carries the greater weight...Obama and Clinton (511)...or the Constitution.
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Post by Caligastia Lanonandek on Nov 24, 2008 15:21:45 GMT -5
JB
Obama would need a pretext for playing the military card. The Muslims might very well be it.
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Post by jb on Nov 24, 2008 15:43:30 GMT -5
I just researched 511 a little more.
It was passed/agreed to by Senate 4/30/08.
Simple resolutions are used only to change the internal rules of one of the chambers of Congress or to express the sentiments of one of the houses.
It is just a resolution. non-binding (no force of law). It has not been considered by the house yet, so it is dead in that sense.
I don't think there is any time limit to its being taken up by the house and sent to the president as a bill.
My point was to show how it seems obvious there are those who were well aware of this fact and how it fits into the entire web of deceit and plan for a take over.
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