The Addendum

[walompio]

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

peace

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Wally if you're going to just post a link - don't you think its appropriate to tell people what it is

[Parn]

I get a semi-blank page. I'm not sure what it's supposed to be.

[walompio]

You're right.... I posted it last minute before I stepped out last night.

This is an addendum to the zeitgeist movie, I thought it was WAY informative about the nature of the present economic condition we're all facing.

I have to point out that, there is only one aspect of what the doc proposes which I don't agree with. It relates to Jesus. But the rest of the doc is eye opening...

I am not sure why some are having trouble opening the link, I was able to. Try visiting the following link and opening the first movie (the one with the eye ball) and it will take you to the google video page.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Be well everyone!

WalO

[Adam]

Dave comment: The movie has serious flaws in regards to sourcing, facts, reason and logic.



Jay Kinney reviews Zeitgeist, the Movie
Posted by Mark Frauenfelder, August 6, 2007 4:13 PM | permalink

www.boingboing.net/2007/08/06/jay-kinney-reviews-z.html

Exactly who is behind the video is unclear, although someone with the moniker of “Peter J.” has posted an online letter claiming credit and explaining Zeitgeist’s message to those who may have somehow failed to grasp the worldview that the video hammers home.


It’s my hunch that Zeitgeist is one attempt to provide such a jolt, and it does indeed pack a certain punch. Too bad it also runs off in three directions at once, and is so indiscriminate in its sources and overly certain of its conclusions. Zeitgeist may be powerful, but its power is tainted with some simplistic and pernicious memes that have already received more propagation than they deserve. The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”

Indeed.

[ophello]

David,

This isn't a link to Zeitgeist. It is a link to Zeitgeist: Addendum. A completely different (and new) movie with a completely different point which was released a mere 5 days ago. It was produced by Peter Joseph, and this time, he actually puts credits at the end of the film.

You ought to actually watch this one before forming your opinion. This film, like its predecessor, makes several valid points. This film focuses almost exclusively on our monetary system (a scam) and corporations (which truly rule the world), and is not merely a re-hash of the original Zeitgeist.

[walompio]

Thanks Ophello,

I think the doc. merits some attention. I said I do not agree with 100% of everything, but it sure points out many things to be adressed and questioned.

Change is the only constant ... sometimes drastic change is due.

Here's something I found today that I think elaborates a little into the current economic situation.

www.truthout.org/092508F

peace all!

[Adam]

This isn't a link to Zeitgeist. It is a link to Zeitgeist: Addendum. A completely different (and new) movie with a completely different point which was released a mere 5 days ago. It was produced by Peter Joseph, and this time, he actually puts credits at the end of the film.

Dave comment:

Ophello, If the first so called documentary is a dog the second is no better in my experience.
In addition let me point out to you that the gates of literature and movie making are guarded by the liberal left. I suspect the movie is on the web because no one would pay to see it. Its also a very low budget flick with the agenda of advancing the career of Peter Joseph - I suspect. Kind of what Michael Moore has done with his political movies.


You ought to actually watch this one before forming your opinion.

Dave comment:

Op, I did click and watched - my opinion is that big brain Peter Joseph jumps from one false premise to the next. Christianity, world trade center, the U.S. Government .


This film, like its predecessor, makes several valid points. This film focuses almost exclusively on our monetary system (a scam) and corporations (which truly rule the world), and is not merely a re-hash of the original Zeitgeist.


Dave comment:

Well Op, from what I have seen of the second movie - I have no need to view the first. Also making valid points is a tool used to sell the big lie. The focus of the film was to portray Christian believers as ignorant. The rest of the film was to portray Americans as ignorant.

This film for me falls under one of Cal's - don't over value B. S. corollaries

[Adam]

Addendum

corporations (which truly rule the world)

Op, I wanted to comment on your thought. Corporations have to deal with governments or war lords and at the very least the local chief. In order to peaceable conduct operations. Corporations like governments come and go. In the big picture of reality the rule of thumb is the achievement of ascendancy. So ask yourself - who truly rules the world?

[Adam]

Wally,

Maturity is a process not an event. I heard Dr. Laura say this and I think it a profound and simple truth. The reason people stop the maturity process is because they stop seeking the truth. I suggest that you listen to and engage Dr. Laura.

www.drlaura.com/listen/

[walompio]

David ... I'm sorry, but I have to comment on your comment to Op's thought on Government "Corporations have to deal with governments or war lords and at the very least the local chief." ......

> Corporation has everything to do with the local chief, and moreover with the local average Joe; because without the support of the people, corporations are nothing.

While I know there are moments of epiphany, leaps of understanding through experiences, I agree that maturity is a process and not an event David. I would add that (like you imply), maturity through learning from experience is directly related to a person's pursue of truth.

Do you think I am somehow inmature, or that I need Dr. Laura's help? Why do you think I need to talk to her?

I don't mind seeing something through someone else's 'lense'; I have done that all my life. But I will always make up my own mind based on how my mind processes the info and filters it through my own personal experience.

peace

[Adam]

David ... I'm sorry, but I have to comment on your comment to Op's thought on Government "Corporations have to deal with governments or war lords and at the very least the local chief." ......

> Corporation has everything to do with the local chief, and moreover with the local average Joe; because without the support of the people, corporations are nothing.


David Comment: Well you have an understanding. After the fact of my statement of course. It appears that Op needed some input. Thus my implication that corporations don't rule the world, or as you cite - corporations with out the consent of the people are nothing.



While I know there are moments of epiphany, leaps of understanding through experiences, I agree that maturity is a process and not an event David. I would add that (like you imply), maturity through learning from experience is directly related to a person's pursue of truth.

David comment: Then how do you explain insanity? You know doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result? In addition I did not imply your addition. I have seen teen age kids more mature than their parents.

Do you think I am somehow inmature, or that I need Dr. Laura's help? Why do you think I need to talk to her?

David comment: Wally your reference to Zeitgeist: Addendum is less than mature in my opinion. I suggested Dr. Laura to you as an aid. Heck I listen.


I don't mind seeing something through someone else's 'lense'; I have done that all my life. But I will always make up my own mind based on how my mind processes the info and filters it through my own personal experience.

David comment: Wally your above statement is immature. It says that you are all about yourself.
How your mind processes info and filters - is not the end all to be all process that equates to an Alpha and Omega. Thus seeking the truth involves service to truth. In the works wisdom is gained. Wisdom equates to maturity.

[walompio]

I don't think we're following the same train of thought here. I agreed with you on the statement "maturity through learning from experience is directly related to a person's pursue of truth"... just worded differently.

What exactly about my reference to the addendum is less than inmature? I was basically repeating what you said...

And why is my statement about how I chose to shape my reality inmature? I am saying that I am open to review other's exposition to inform myself, but ultimately I chose to keep or not, whatever portion of that I explore as part of what I understand to be correct, even something newly learned. As opposed to just accept anything presented to me as truth blindly, essentially allowing for someone else to think for me, as opposed to me thinking for myself.

You wrote: "How your mind processes info and filters - is not the end all to be all process that equates to an Alpha and Omega. Thus seeking the truth involves service to truth. In the works wisdom is gained. Wisdom equates to maturity"

> I don't understand you... Every person has an individual experience, we are all, each responsible for acting upon our desire to learn, make decisions, inform ourselves and act according to that which our consciousness guides us to. Yes you're right in saying that seeking truth requires service to the truth. We are all, however individuals and our experience of reality will be characterized by our individuality. People's perception of what the truth is can change as they grow to understand the big picture better. Truth as well as perfection is relative to the individual, the evolutionary moment they are in, the learned behavior from upbringing and many other things which define individuality. The only Alpha & Omega in my book is Father, no other....

Anyway, I didn't open this thread to have you measure my maturity, or get into some kind of debate. I was simply sharing a video I found at worse, informative.

[Adam]

And why is my statement about how I chose to shape my reality inmature? I am saying that I am open to review other's exposition to inform myself, but ultimately I chose to keep or not, whatever portion of that I explore as part of what I understand to be correct, even something newly learned. As opposed to just accept anything presented to me as truth blindly, essentially allowing for someone else to think for me, as opposed to me thinking for myself.


Sure Wally, promotion of a film that is a debunking film disguised as a conspiracy theory film based on the non factual premise that the author argues is a fine way to demonstrate your ability to think for yourself. The more I think about it seems that you had some sort of reaction to the film that fits your world view and you decide to share.

But Wally, I called you on this film because I am of the Originalist/Literalist, frame of mind when it comes to understanding the Constitution of the United States. Also I have heard the author of the film in question. I find him to be a communist at worst and a liberal atheist at best.

Wally one of the four Alpha and Omegas that had wanted to promote your best interests, you cast aside. And alas we come to your old arguments - traveling in a circle...about accepting truth blindly. Which when I read your posts the meaning and definition of blind truth is if Wally does not agree...it can not be the truth.

Wally before one can know were they are at. They have to decide what they stand for. I think that your position in politics and religion and your understanding of the American people is immature.

[ophello]

Ophello, If the first so called documentary is a dog the second is no better in my experience.

Whatever you have to say about the film, without having seen it in its entirety, weighed its considerations, or validated its claims, is irrelevant. Believe whatever you want. The Federal Reserve and the few people behind it do not have your interests in mind.