The Addendum

[imbasile]

I don't see the argument.
IF Wally is immature the judgment is between him and father.
IF the author is communist or liberal atheist may or may not be true depending upon the knowledge or lack thereof of the author (Davids view is what it is to him, singular and personal) I don't know and don't care, just watch the movie and make up your own mind

All "governments" of today "are" the global corporations under the leadership of the global banking system. (in my small mind and maturity it follows like this: Satan(or followers etc..)banking system, government, corporations, small business, the rest...)
Pure truth is only of the Father, all other "truths" are in the eye of the beholder and that by the experience and knowledge thereof.
Unless you are the Father then "your" truth is what it is and may or may not fit in the realm of "truth" for another.
The constitution is no longer in force.
The fed and the economic/banking/finance kingdom with all the rules and regs show themselves to be the same as in this movie. Perhaps not all the rules or procedures are identified, but enough to tell you that it was put in place to usurp life and liberty from all those placed under.
A house divided cannot stand.

[Adam]

Whatever you have to say about the film, without having seen it in its entirety, weighed its considerations, or validated its claims, is irrelevant.


Well hey, little Marxists are created annually. As stated before I watched the Addendum. And weighed it and found it wanting for lack of reason and logic.


Believe whatever you want. The Federal Reserve and the few people behind it do not have your interests in mind.


Oh and this bit of wisdom from a guy who implicitly stated that he was going to prove the validity of Obigots birth certificate. What is irrelevant is your comment about the Federal Reserve. Why? The recent action taken by Congress gives the department of the Treasury
Secretary Henry M. Paulson the power and the guidelines that the Federal Reserve will follow.

Now I hear that the corruptions alleged in 2nd district of ( surprise, surprise, The Fed Bank located in NY.) I think the possible corruptions conducted there hurt the creditability of the Fed in a legal sense. Thus they lost the moral high ground to the Department of the Treasury.

However it has been reported that the other 11 Fed banks have sound balance sheets and were conducting business in accordance with their charter. The 12 districts of the Fed have Banks located in different States.

As it stands for now, it was not in the best interest of the Fed to be constrained by Criminal Congressmen and their hammer known as the Department of the Treasury. But since the Federal Reserve is not a part of government, what's a muther to do? Grab a ankle I suppose.

Now as to you comment (Believe whatever you want) would be better stated as follows:

Believe whatever you want based on reason, logic and fact.

[Adam]

imbasile, what I said was: Wally's "reference" and "statement" are immature. As Wally would do better to upgrade his ability to reason. So would follow his ability to understand constructive criticism from a personal attack.



Do you think I am somehow inmature, or that I need Dr. Laura's help? Why do you think I need to talk to her?

David comment: Wally your reference to Zeitgeist: Addendum is less than mature in my opinion. I suggested Dr. Laura to you as an aid. Heck I listen.


I don't mind seeing something through someone else's 'lense'; I have done that all my life. But I will always make up my own mind based on how my mind processes the info and filters it through my own personal experience.

David comment: Wally your above statement is immature. It says that you are all about yourself.
How your mind processes info and filters - is not the end all to be all process that equates to an Alpha and Omega. Thus seeking the truth involves service to truth. In the works wisdom is gained. Wisdom equates to maturity.

[walompio]

The objective in posting the video was simply to share it. Of curse it had certain impact, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered. Discussion about the points made there can also be constructive. I am not the only person who has found it to be interesting...

Am I an advocate of all the positions within the presentation? of course not, I did mention that there were items I dis-agreed with didn't I?

I never said that you were attacking me personally either, I merely questioned your comment, when you 'evaluated' my level of maturity...

I reason to the best of my ability. If such reason is poor, or under-developed by your standads Dave, then give me something to work with here, show me what yours is and allow me to challenge my own understanding by looking at things through your perspective. It doesn't do me any good if you just call me inmature and then tell me to use my logic, reason and fact...

Maybe I am logically challenged, reasonally impaired or inperceptive to fact... what then? How do you help if not by critisism?

I am willing to revisit conclusions about reality if presented with a more sound alternative, are you?

[walompio]

just a note:

I did a little bit of research on the people behind 'The Venus Project' and found out that the 'research center' they show is not very far from where I live; and sadly ... it's for sale

I understand that Mr Fresco is selling the property to move to Ecuador where he wil "continue hios work"

They want 1/2 mil. for the property, and while I don't know a whole lot about it specifically, seems a little steep.

[ophello]

So let me get this straight: the Federal Reserve is a big huggy bear and we should all love it?
Do you agree that it is a private bank? if so, how could this POSSIBLY be in our interest? Did you consider anything the previous presidents said about it?

And if you're going to trash the film and all it stands for, you're also trashing a vision for a better future wherein technology is proliferated without the constrains of a monetary system and our resources are managed properly. What a dystopian tragedy THAT would be!

Oh and this bit of wisdom from a guy who implicitly stated that he was going to prove the validity of Obigots birth certificate.

I don't suppose you've read my response in that particular thread? I didn't feel like wasting my time with that for different reasons, none of which include lack of evidence or ineptitude. Everything I've ever said on the subject was right on the money (factcheck.org pretty much summed up everything I had been saying all along, so I didn't have to do any work on that after all). I had better things to do at the time of that writing than prove myself and my knowledge to a bunch of people on the internet who know next to nothing about image processing and have no real bearing on my real life. So sue me.

[Adam]

And if you're going to trash the film and all it stands for, you're also trashing a vision for a better future wherein technology is proliferated without the constrains of a monetary system and our resources are managed properly. What a dystopian tragedy THAT would be!

Op reality is almost upon us. The way I see it soon people will not be able to afford access to the Internet because they can't pay the bill. All the finger pointing and wishful thinking will not help. While I understand that you are young and a passionate thinker. You would better serve yourself and others around you to check your emotions and think on ways to make the situation tolerable. I know you can because you are creative and a good person.

As far as your Obama story, I will tell you what my Dad used to tell me, (and it USED to annoy me) until I matured and understood what he was saying. Son I was not born yesterday. Op if you would have explained that your passion for the Obama birth certificate got ahead of your ability to offer up proof. I would have understood, because I have done this myself.

So the lesson is in a heated argument. Cool down step back and reflect upon the position. Before you promise more than you can deliver. The reason one reflects is so you set the tempo and have time to gain the grace of a thoughtful answer.

We are in the end times OP. Time to gird yourself and get ready. Younger folks can do well in hard times. They have proven it for thousands of years.

[Adam]

I am willing to revisit conclusions about reality if presented with a more sound alternative, are you?

Nope - I don't make deals.

Wally, Have you heard the saying - I think therefore I am? My reply is ( I am therefore I think).

I will tell you a true story about myself and Cal. This happened before I made it to Fathers room in 6D. Cal was letting me know how the Bad guys (Angels) considered me the weakest link in the chain of Advens. I asked Cal why did they think that? Cal muttered an "I dunno". But he made the I don't know comment to sound like a non answer, as if I needed to figure it out for myself.

Then he said something about me being an Adam and lowest on the pecking order of Angels he supposed. As I was looking at him we both laughed inside and Cal said...they won't see you coming and as I was laughing I thought damn right. The reason I remember the moment is because of the good laugh and the importance of the moment .

Wally I suggest that you make ready for the coming economic hurricane. With that It is my wish to conclude business on this thread.

[walompio]

"Wally I suggest that you make ready for the coming economic hurricane"

> David ... being recently married and now with a child (or two) due by April, I am well aware of the needs I need to fulfill for what I have helped create as this family unit.

> Having failed in my attemt to enter the Real Estate business (by starting at the worse time, and getting screwed by others as a newbie), with a now dissolved company, no real income to speak of aside from my wife's ... and on the brink of foreclosure by the bank; I am more than aware of how this upcoming hurricane-like financial crisis will afect me. This coming recession will last over 18 months.

> If I was by myself, I wouldn't care as much because I can live comfortaby under a rock and I have dug in the trash before for 'scores' - I am no stranger to poverty. But now I am responsible for another life, and the last think I want is for him or her to have to experience the same. I will go shoulder deep into the grime if I need to.

"With that It is my wish to conclude business on this thread"

> So be it.

[ophello]

Before you promise more than you can deliver.

the truth of the matter is: I never made a promise, and it was more work than i had time to deliver. I had the images, proofs and explanations. I already explained the how and why (see the original forum). The only thing i didnt do was assemble the "proof package" which would have been laborious. I had a job and other things to do. You might note that I was absent from the forum for a long period of time. This was that period.

But seriously, I am not an Obama "fan". I like him personally (i.e. he annoys me far less than McCain) but I am not SOLD on him. My focus here and now is my degree, which I'll attain next year. I'm with you on this point.