Non-Ascendant Mindset, No Doubt

[Queen Bee]

Cal: I am a frequent reader, and communicated once with you on the old Tuesday night chat. Your site has given me much to think about, and this thread finally prompted me to post a request. I would like you to expand a bit on the mystery of the Eucharist. I am also a Catholic Christian, raised in this faith from birth, and would like very much to know what the Church "got right" and what they did not. This is important to me especially this Christmas eve, as I find my questions regarding my Catholic faith has added a shadow to what was once the most mystical and spiritual season for me. Thank you, in advance, for your reply.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

There is no 'mystery' here. At the last supper, Jesus gave the apostles the knowledge of how to use the ritual as a doorway.
Then he bestowed the Holy Spirit up on them - empowering each to do exceptional things.

The 2 'biggies' that the church got wrong are

1. The founding premise that Jesus 'should' be worshipped. Jesus didn't ask for anyone's worship. He directed honor and respect to the Father. Jesus did ask for our service. He defined a church as a place where people meet, in his name, for the purpose of doing good works for your fellows.

2. The Trinity is misidentified. Jesus is not the only begotten of the Father - Immanuel is. Jesus is Immanuel's son.

How do we know this? John tells that no man has laid eyes on the Word (Immanuel). Jesus was seen. It follows that Jesus can not be the word - He's the Holy Spirit - the third member of the Trinity.

JOH 1 18 NO MAN HATH SEEN GOD AT ANY TIME THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON WHICH IS IN THE BOSOM OF THE FATHER HE HATH DECLARED HIM

Where Christianity succeeded is that the Bibilcal tales were passed forward so we could read them for ourselves. Martin Luther's Guttenberg Bible being the first step in that journey.

Also, roughly a third of the most important Christian beliefs spawn from John. No one ever saw they were encoded even though they could have.

In Isaiah - we were told the purpose of sealing a written work was to make it incomprehensible. Daniel and Rev are clearly identified as 'sealed'. It follows that comprehension wasn't possible unless the work was unsealed. Until my arrival, no one saw the that Gospels of John are also partially encrypted.

These are the places the church went majorly wrong.

If a person got the idea of do good - be good - they got enough.
The life of Jesus and his sayings are enough (if you strip the hocus pocus supplied by religions out of it).

[hollis]

Regarding the Eucharist: I wonder why he chose that ritual. Was it that sharing a meal and breaking bread was such an integral and intimate custom at the time that it would make sense to his Apostles?

The ritual I observe in Mass seems in no way to be able to open a doorway to anything, so I guess I understand when you say that the Church took a wrong interpretive turn. There have been a few times during Mass when I "got it," and I felt outside myself with joy. But I was not the celebrant, I was the participant, so I don't understand exactly how a priest saying some words will open a dimensional doorway. Then again, I don't understand exactly how a priest saying some words can transubstantiate one thing into another. A matter of faith I suppose.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

It isn't so much the words as the 'intent'.

Read Butler's Lives of the Saints for some good examples. There's some religious tripe in there as well, but the good examples jump right out you. For instance, one girl became a saint because she rejected a suitors advances and he killed her. This could apply to exwives globally.

Padre Pio is a good modern day example and the stigmata.
Again, they don't understand how this works.

Pio was intent on joining with the Holy Spirit and elevated his evolutionary moment. Unfortunately, as with all stigmatics, they use the imagery of Christ on the cross. At the moment of connection - they inflict the stigmata upon themselves. Jesus doesn't do this - they do. It does, however, provide objective evidence of their success. The Holy Spirit (5d) has a number of abilities that come with it - one is the ability to be a timewalker. That is, to use 5d as a doorway into timelines in 4 or 3. However, as there is no one available to teach them these things, they tend to find out in a hit or miss fashion. A tibetan lama could have provided him some insights, but the church would be loathe to admit another religion knows something they don't. Typically the Catholic Church only admits the existence of 3 groups. Us, them and Jews.

[hollis]

Dimensional abilities is an interesting take on sainthood. You mentioned a few posts ago about incorruptibility. Does this take place because the body of the saint is somehow "out of time" in 4d?

I like your idea of us, them and the Jews.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Out of time in 5d.

[joefarar]

Dec 19, 2008 20:14:57 GMT -5 hollis said:

I have given prayerful consideration to this thought for some time and would like to express it:

What if I don't want to leave Earth? If everything you say is true, and the Rapture is imminent (like your two-minute warning scenario), what if I don't want to go? It sounds like pure selfishness now that I am putting it into writing, but I am perfectly happy to love God as a mortal. I am perfectly happy to live with my wife and my dog, working my job helping soldiers with psychological problems, going to Mass, and beginning to raise a family. Do I have a choice in this? Or will the majesty of God be so great that when the time comes I won't care about my mortal life anymore? Is this the sign of non-ascendant selfishness? Or just mortality expressing itself?

Hollis, I think I understand where you are coming from, and actually, I'm going to side with Bob on this one; "for the most part" (assuming ascension happens as planned)

You cannot help people who cannot help themselves. You can't force people to be good. And you probably can't help them if you haven't stood in their shoes even if your heart's in the right place (and it's good that you care by the way).

If/when these people find out "what really happened," what do you think is going to happen (in addition to the obvious)? If you want to stay, I'd recommend you stockpile on tranquilizers (you might even pick up an additional vice while you're at it), you'd probably need them, because it would get ugly, life already is stressful enough with "good" and "decent" people here. Take a minute to just imagine what a world with only "bad" people would be like?

This might sound cruel, but, I'd put honesty before honor and I think you could do a lot more good nuking the planet than staying and trying to fix it for potential political/sentimental reasons (e.g.: It's Michael's bestowal planet, it has a rich cultural/historical value worth preserving, we care about these poor unfortunate people, etc...). The time it would take to fix this mess would probably cause collectively, more pain and suffering (think of subsequent generations + time and resources) than it would to maybe start over. Bleeding hearts and politicians would probably be the first ones in line to stay; a good person who's lived a little and knows people would probably have the good sense to leave. It really depends on the circumstances and resources the "prospective janitors of the planet" will have to assess whether it's a worthwhile endeavor. So far, it looks like a dire situation; I've seen idiots and the mentally ill among the few to be chosen as disciples and apostles of this new era (whether it's ascension, doomsday, or whatever, and truth is, everyone here should just take the mentality of, "I'll believe it when I see it." I personally don't know what the future holds and I prefer to keep it that way unless you're giving me the lottery numbers).

Earth in of itself is full of injustice. If you agree with Bob's assessment on the Universe (and it is my understanding some of their people are coming to clean up), would you replace one injustice with another, even if you could help these people or were good at handling crisis situations? Or could you just simply stop an injustice elsewhere in general, let alone, just be a good person? Is this planet "your mess" to clean up? Do you want to make other people's problems your own?

However, if there were any reason you would stay, I suppose you could look at this as a valuable learning experience. Learning to deal with this kind of stress and people might toughen you up a bit and help you relate to people better and you probably can't get that kind of "work experience" anywhere else after a big event such as rapture (but is that your job?). You want to stay, make sure you don't put your heart before your mind; know what you're getting yourself into and the reasons why (and whether it's worthwhile for the "right reasons"). I know a few people that do, and they really believe in helping "heal the planet" but they also have an "idea" about what they are getting themselves into as well. God bless them, they're good "people" (notice I didn't use the word "politicians"); thank God for that.

My 2 cents.

[joefarar]

Dec 23, 2008 23:56:23 GMT -5 hollis said:

And lastly, I completely agree with your assessment of God's requests. He asks, but as a subordinate to the Father, one must politely understand that a request from God is a damn order. With all orders there is a choice to follow it, but you consider the source...

Important point you both brought up here (consider the source). There are a lot of pretenders out there. Bob mentioned Father doesn't command; rather, he would prefer you "cooperate" with his will. You have free-will, that's his gift to you.

I'll provide a real-life example: I was praying one day contemplating a difficult decision and asking God for guidance. During this event, I received a telepathic message, "You help such and such, I'll help you." (it doesn't matter what it was regarding) Well first of all, I don't bargain with God. I wouldn't mind being rewarded for doing Father's will, but I would do his will without expectation of any such reward. I don't know who said that or what the intent was behind it, it doesn't matter regarding my decision, but I knew, whatever that was, it was likely to be bs.

If God communicates with you, I think you will know it more by the "experience" over the words of an unseen voice or product of your own mind. It's more than just common sense, I think conversing with God is a "transforming experience." If Father requests of you, you will likely "know" it is "him who speaks."

[hollis]

Joe,

I appreciate your thoughts, however you should go back and reread the rest of the postings. You have inferred that I want to stay here and fix people or things when in reality I was expressing the wish to remain mortal, the Peter Pan wish to stay a little boy forever. After you reread that, I'd like to hear what you think

[joefarar]

hollis,

I admit, often, I put the cart before the horse. I like to contribute ideas, but often I am not the best listener, in this case, reader. I read over your comments quickly and I did not catch the second part of your posting; my apologies. Nevertheless, I am glad you (and hopefully others) appreciated and/or benefited from my comments.

[hollis]

I am still troubled by this issue, the original one that I brought up. About my worldly life ending when I am so young.

My wife and I have been married for only a few years, and we have no children. We have been trying to no avail. Now that you say the tumblers are moving and things are in place, it creates in me a contradiction. If I believe what you say, and the first rapture is imminent, then I am hopeful that I may pass that judgment, but deeply sad that my life as I know it with my wife is over. I will never have children with her. For all I know, this is the first time her soul and my soul have married so I will have no children to remember from previous lives with her.

There are so many things that a young man thinks at a point like this. When I was first shot at in Iraq, a litany of "I will never"s ran through my head. The largest now is "I will never have a child with my wife" and it ranges to "I will never finish the book I was working on" to "I will never see the Sistine Chapel" or "finish the Boston Marathon."

I swing back and forth between whether I want to be Peter Pan or not.

[ophello]

What do you say to those who haven't even married yet? Those who have never even had a girlfriend?

Be grateful you were able to enjoy it at all.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Hollis

Why do you assume that anything has to end?

If both people are ascendant - they go up together and are free to continue or terminate their relationships as they see fit. Things end only 'if' one is non ascendant. Children go with the ascendant parent. If neither is ascendant, I assume parentage and take them. I'll have over 3 billion good parents available.

[hollis]

I suppose I had not considered that.