Our history with Iraq

[Mortal]

I've read every reason imaginable for the reasons we went to war with Iraq and I still don't feel any closer to the truth. Is there a significant connection that has kept us occupied with Iraq for the past two decades, other than oil and geopolitical reasons?

Regarding this: www.planetaryhq.com/11.html

If this is relevant, what did Saddam's Iraq have to do with Babylon?

[Adam]

other than oil and geopolitical reasons?

I would add ideological reasons. Our enemies use our technologies, our legal system, our media the (three crown jewel s) of our assets against us.

The rise of Hezbola, Saddam, 911, 2nd and third generation Muslims in Americans being radicalized threw the Internet ( ideal for a false leader) from some imam in Karachi.

Some cultures celebrate death. Alkida terrorists, Taliban - in the middle a Nation State ruled by a self serving individual looking to expand himself.
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[Mortal]

I was thinking there is something deeper than all the reasons you listed. The 11th posting on Planetary HQ is called "Babylon is Fallen"

This date 4/09/2003 - Baghdad fell to Forces of Light. It is noteworthy that ancient Babylon is located thirty miles south of Baghdad. The Revelation Code speaks to the moment.

Linkword = IS FALLEN

REV 14 8 AND THERE FOLLOWED ANOTHER ANGEL SAYING BABYLON IS FALLEN IS FALLEN THAT GREAT CITY BECAUSE SHE MADE ALL NATIONS DRINK OF THE WINE OF THE WRATH OF HER FORNICATION

REV 18 2 AND HE CRIED MIGHTILY WITH A STRONG VOICE SAYING BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN IS FALLEN AND IS BECOME THE HABITATION OF DEVILS AND THE HOLD OF EVERY FOUL SPIRIT AND A CAGE OF EVERY UNCLEAN AND HATEFUL BIRD

All of this suggests some other spiritual purpose to me, or something else entirely. Looking at those passages from Revelation though I don't see how Saddam Hussein's Iraq can be compared to ancient Babylon. I'm also curious about our past relationship with Saddam Hussein and how it fell through. There was always something America sought in Iraq, long before the war on terrorism started to materialize.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I don't see how Saddam Hussein's Iraq can be compared to ancient Babylon

How about the location? Duh......

Daniel had a slight problem in 500 BC - Iraq did not yet exist.
Regardless, he saw its fall in the future and knew where it was within the context of what he knew.

[Mortal]

"SHE MADE ALL NATIONS DRINK OF THE WINE OF THE WRATH OF HER FORNICATION"

In what way does this describe Iraq under Saddam? That statement implies evil on a global scale that impacted all or many other nations. This seems to be something of a much greater scale than what Saddam did.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

The two edged sword applies here. If you haven't read the code - you can't have context and just picking one verse out at random doesn't do that.

The Whore of Babylon is yet to come. The Evil of Saddam's regime is linked to her persona.
As a whore, she is linked to a man with power (the anti-christ). so - this moment has yet to come.

[tonisl]

I just noted from the Rev Code excerpts posted here by Mortal that there are some phrases in reverse sequence: REV 14 8 ... BABYLON IS FALLEN IS FALLEN THAT GREAT CITY ...and REV 18 2 ... BABYLON THE GREAT IS FALLEN IS FALLEN ...
Also, IS FALLEN is repeated twice in both verses. I wonder, does this have any specific meaning? I do not think it's just coincidence.

Tonis

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Tonis - it would seem evidence of the two edged sword. Are you guys getting concerned about the Russians?

[ophello]

Ukraine is accepting lots of russian passports (so my russian roommate tells me) and cold-war tensions are still there. Apparently, we want to build missiles in poland to stop a possible attack from iran. The russians dont like that one bit.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Not my point.

Tonis is in Lithuania. They invaded Georgia - is the Ukraine next? or Lithuania or

[z]

Russia has no ability for full scale war with west what invasion of Lithuania would meen.

Their military is not even near the shape of what it was during cold war. The stuff what they now have is same sure, but: rusted and ready to be melted as junk.

However, they are reshaping. So, I'd say that they'd be ready and operational to engage with west by 2015, if they keep hurry. That is to transform their factories into war factories, establish a communist rule for labour and the other usual rusky BS.

[tonisl]

Hi, Cal,

Actually, I am in Estonia. It's a bit different from Lithuania.
Yes, Russia invaded Georgia, but here in Estonia we do not really think they will attack us.
There is very big difference between Georgia and Estonia - we are NATO members and I do not think Russia would like to engage with NATO military force, at least not now.
As z correctly pointed out, Russian military is in fact in very bad shape. Yes, they have nukes, but conventional weapons are not so good. I recently heard from high military sources that NATO conventional weapons power is 4-5 times bigger.

But taking into account their leaders, president and prime minister, nobody really knows what they are capable of. At least for me they seem complete nuts.
As a side information: I work as a civil servant and we used to have quite normal relations with our colleagues in Moscow. Now, for more than a year already, everything is frozen. That's really scares me the most.

Best regards,
Tonis

[Adam]

I heard that Condelisa Rice forgot to tell Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, that his was a small country and a small power. That yes The United States would support the bid to get Georgia into NATO and yes the United States supports democracy. However playing the U.S. against Russia is not in the cards.

Russian problem is that the Nation is run by gangsters, the population is in decline (birth rate).
Mortality (Death rate is high). So the questions for the Russian leadership to me seems to be how to control the resources of the Crimea without haveing to occupy a Nation with military forces. The answer seems to be threw capitialism. Topple the U.S. dollar and make the currency of Russia a world standard that could contend with the Euro.

Dave.

By Jonathan S. Landay | McClatchy Newspapers

"Pentagon officials said that despite having 130 trainers assigned to Georgia, they had no advance notice of Georgia’s sudden move last Thursday to send thousands of Georgian troops into South Ossetia to capture that province's capital, Tskhinvali".

www.mcclatchydc.com/255/story/47631.html


Blogger:

"The problem is that Saakashviliis is politically and morally bankrupt - and in the fallout of rigged presidential and parlimentary elections, the frozen conflict zones of Abkhazita and South Ossetia are good distractions for failed policies - an anti-poverty program that stillborn - as is democracy".

Joni Simonishvili, Tbilisi , Georgia

May 31 2006
Russian President Vladimir Putin recently directed his nation's parliament to develop a plan to reduce the country's falling birthrate. In a speech to parliament on May 10, 2006, Putin called the problem of Russia's dramatically declining population, "The most acute problem of contemporary Russia."
geography.about.com/od/obtainpopulationdata/a/russiapop.htm
High Death Rate
Russia has a very high death rate of 15 deaths per 1000 people per year. This is far higher than the world's average death rate of just under 9. The death rate in the U.S. is 8 per 1000 and for the United Kingdom it's 10 per 1000. Alcohol-related deaths in Russia are very high and alcohol-related emergencies represent the bulk of emergency room visits in the country.

With this high death rate, Russian life expectancy is low - the World Health Organization estimates the life expectancy of Russian men at 59 years while women's life expectancy is considerably better at 72 years. This difference is primarily a result of high rates of alcoholism among males.

www.jamestown.org/edm/article.php?article_id=2373049

Thus, the only guarantee of stability in the Medvedev-Putin ruling tandem is their personal relationship and “the hope that the new president will always remember that he owes absolutely everything to his predecessor,” wrote Vishnevsky. “But this will not always be so: any president will get tired of being de facto No. 2, knowing that he is de jure No. 1. Putin, who by virtue of his first profession does not trust anyone completely, cannot but know this. And thus the second variant, a redistribution of power despite previous promises, looks more probable.” According to Vishnevsky, however, it is hard to believe that Medvedev will offer no resistance to such a redistribution of power. “All the more so given that he will be surrounded by people who are thirsting for power, money, access to resources and the possibility of settling accounts with their enemies,” he wrote, “and knowing firmly that autocratic power is concentrated in the hands of their boss, not in those of the ‘national leader.’”

Vishnevsky concluded, “A conflict is inevitable, the only thing that is unclear is when it will start and in whose favor it will conclude. The only thing that is clear is the result: autocracy cannot be divided by two” (Novaya gazeta, May 12).

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Tonis

It doesn't bode well that there's a Communist in the White House

[tonisl]

That's right. It worries me very much as well.
I think US is the only power that keeps Russia from attacking others. Even NATO is nothing without US. European Union is completely without teeth. Right after the events in Georgia all EU countries spoke how bad Russia is and there was very negative attitude towards Russia. Now, barely 2 months later already Germany and France say that OK, Russians have learnt their lessons and let's return to our business as usual. EU is very much dependent on Russia's gas and oil.
With communist in White House nobody really knows what relations with Russia will be.
For me the biggest problem in dealing with communists is that they are not reliable. They lie without limits.
If Obama will close eyes on Russia's real nature then all the world would be on peril. For me communists are even worse than fundamental islamists.

Tonis