mind xor self

[jyothir]

Isn't being honest better than being just, honesty better than justice?

Deep one.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

honesty and justice are the some thing - truth

[jyothir]

I see difference thought mind and soul, logical low level thinking mind and on higher level understanding consciousness. You can be in truth at either of them, but mind is always more robotic, bounded, and cant see a greater view. Yet as I could put spiritual consciousness views things in a larger scale, in universal and unity light. From honesty we can know about ourselves more than from a monotonic unchanged mind thoughts which are only logical. Honesty is life. With mind we can get stuck to our beliefs, dis beliefs and live an illusory life.

I value purity of mind, clearness of mind, when one is not afraid to look what really is, what really is important for everyone. Like if there is any illusion I want to face for what the situation really is - in this case all that "mind and justice stuff" goes away, and a solution of harmony and life comes in.

It is not so, that energy of body, mind should be left out, and only spiritual things over-investigated. Real divine life I'd say is living in harmony when body, mind and spirit is combined into one at close to equal.

But of course, wisdom is always more important than intelligence, love more important than wisdom. Spiritual self, life should be guiding our logical mind, not the spiritual soul be trapped into mind jail.

We, perhaps use a bit different understanding in the terms, so what I meant was "Isn't honesty from within soul, through a clear and pure mind, from what I'd call spiritual consciousness better than a mind and bound belief systems justice that is understood only by that lower level mind?"

As much as that for now. With Love,
Vaidas.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

You seem like a person who over thinks things - ie: you could ruin a wet dream

[jyothir]

You can call it a deep understanding of simple terms. I like expression that "perfect - is the simplest way to do something right". It's not the quantity, but alignment and clarity about thinking.

Seems like you chose to express that "you see no difference" in what I had mentioned. It might be like sun glows, and electrical lamp glows - and we might say there is no difference in it, but wouldn't that be ignorance? Aren't you building everything on mind jail, without everyone being themselves through clarity of mind and honesty?

"ruin a wet dream" - yup, not that consciousness, but maybe even mind can overcome what is animal reproduction and addiction system.

and off topic, I use mind, I'm not only the mind, for you expressed that I might over think things. We could say truth can be felt similar as love can be felt, yet such deep things can not be understood by low logic thinking mind as to why, but it doesn't deny logic. It's very fundamental to know what happiness really is. There is difference between agreeing to wisdom/truth with mind that it is "good" and the choice that you would live every day by that truth and wisdom, even love. So it's not so much about thinking, but that I live and experience what I say. And it's not only me.

For next post, I plan to spend more time as to how I could help you, if you are lost in such a place, or if you're not (doing this for purpose), help others if they would fall into planned lie, as I have full timetable of things to attend everyday. With divine Love,
Vaidas.

[ophello]

justice and honesty are two sides of the same coin of truth. Justice is the result of honesty and justice can result in honesty. In either case, the truth is known. I don't see how this can be difficult to understand.

[stephen]

Vaidas,

Facts, logic and sound reasoning (mind) are never inconsistent with the truth. They are the sure path thereto. Outside of those are many paths which lead to delusions. The truth is what the truth is...regardless of your 'feelings' about it.

We are not given a mind in vain or as a deliberate obstacle which must overcome or as a jail which imprisons us preventing us from discovering the truth.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

jyo

Had no intention of having a discourse. He asked a question that he expected no answer to. It was a pretext for impressing us with new age double talk.

[hollis]

"Ruin a wet dream" is one of my all time favorite lines from my old sergeant in the Army. Thanks for bringing a smile, Cal.

[e-Male]

H,
Must be Army. Harumph. Wimps. "Ruin" wasn't the verb I heard in the Corps.

You'll have to use your imagination I shan't repeat it here.

;D

So that I'm not simply spamming this thread, I would like to opine that I read and re-read jyothir's posts, and decided he was not writing anything of substance or meaning. Nor even just making quips. His posts read like both New Age malarky and post-modernist deconstruction where words mean anything you want them to.

That's nothing more than intellectual dishonesty. Also the hallmark -- and necessity -- of political correctness.
/e

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

As I said, his purpose was to impress with what he takes for deep thinking.

I had a friend in Los Angeles what was wow wow wow over a guy who spoke on borderline occult subjects. I went, I listened to the guy and concluded he didn't say one thing with substance in a hour. It surprised me that the people there were so impressed with this act.
Hense 'Don't over value BS is in position #1'.

[hollis]

e-Male:

I cleaned it up a little, I think we are on the same page when it comes to that expression between the Corps and the Army.

[e-Male]

Hollis,

Well, maybe the Army isn't as wimpy as all that, after all. But I was trying real hard to be polite to the one who wrote it here first, and picked on you, instead.

Oooops. Did you just see a cat leap out of a bag?

;D

/e

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I understand why people want to join the army, air force or navy. I've never understood why anyone would want to be a marine. I suspect they do testing to see if they're missing a certain gene or chromosome first

[hollis]

Agreed, Cal.