Former Soviet Nations at War

[cwb2007]

The country of Georgia and Russia are at war, apparently over a land dispute. Considering the rebirth of the authoritarian Russian state this type of sitution worries me. It seems to me only a matter of time that Russia's actions turned outwards from their nation to conflict with others.

[z]

Theres more at stake.

US & Israels plans on Iran may have had a serious setback. US and Russia are now eyeballing each other ten steps way, but guns still on holster as Georgia is very close allie to US.
US and Israel needs the russian support, or at least a blind eye, in a case of Iranian takeover, but ruskies apparently has another plan.

To be sure, tension here at finland is quite high. Russia and estonia has already shared some diplomatic punches. Estonia is a NATO member.. Finland is not.

Well, fortunately, even the lefties now understands here that our defencebudget needs a big boost to our already very functional army.
Our military tactics, in the light of this georgian war, seems to be well lined with the russian tactics: we have effective missile systems against tanks, air to ground missile support and sufficient troops.

We can give the ruskies a hell once again if they have forgotten the last time. With NATO or without.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Z

And where did Finland buy those missile systems?

[z]

They are suitable to NATO. Not from russia. F18 hornets was last bigger purchase. Finland has had an eye for NATO a long time, but staying out has been deemed 'more safe' alternative..

btw. Finland created the three point targeting system during the ww2 and the molotov cocktail.

one other curiosity, at the www.snipercentral.com/snipers.htm all time record holder is a finnish 'white death' as the ruskies called him.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

So, you've been getting weapons from a consortium of Nato members. I know there's no love lost with the Ruskies.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

The solution for the Georgia situation can't be found in Georgia.
It shares no borders with a Nato Nation and is indefensable. However, the Ruskies really have their eye on the Ukraine with a population of 50 million 'and' the Ukraine does have borders with Nato concerns.

The solution to this is to quickly accept Ukraine's application to join and then move Nato troops in butt quick. This isn't going to stop with Georgia. It's a replay of the russians moving into Hungry and Checkslavakia. We backrupted them with star wars and the cold war. Now, however, they a flush with oil money and back up to their old games.


More and more - Patton was right.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Given the Russian invasion of Georgia - the Poles have asked for missile defense systems that they weren't inclined to take. The Russians responded that they'd be punished.

Russian press is reporting that retired air force pilots are being recalled to fly their planes.
The implication is that they don't have younger pilots trained.

Gorbachov (the communist darling of the American left) says the invasion was caused because Dick Chenny was plotting against Russia.

Russian Press is also reporting that 'we' are responsible and Obama and our election had something to do with it.

Obama, of course, is taking the Russian slant on things even though he says their actions are 'unacceptable' (as if he has a plan for actually doing something about it).

[z]

If russia, in fact, launches an attack against poland, well, better to buckel our seat belts. As poland is NATO member it would ignite third worldwar without a doubt. Iran, india-pakistan and various other asian countries would undoutebly use the situation to solve their tensions at the same time with force.

Whats very troubling, is that islam is not even a key factor in this current escalation, but will be one significant party in the process.

[mark]

Look for Pakistan to become so politically destabilized that radical islamo/talibani elements gain enough influence or control to launch pre-emptive nukes at strategic points in India.

Or, in lieu of such political shakeup, and mass terrorism in India, India preempts in like manner and attempts to annihilate pakistan. They have the oldest grudge going on the planet.

The first step into the thermonuclear inferno will probably occur here.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Z

My concern is that this could turn into the same situation that started World War I.
Archduke Ferdinand - a minor political figure was murdered by Germans. Because of the complex list of alliances between various countries, Europe became polarized for war.

Right now, the Ruskies are testing the waters. Poland, who had experience with both Nazi and Communist invasions knows what's at the end of this rope. If Bush doesn't rush to support the Ukraine - the next move is obvious.

[z]

Yep. All the opportunists alliances back then thought that ww1 would have lasted at best few weeks, they jumped in.. and we know the rest.

There are loads of opportunist groups around europe, middle-east, far-east and through asia.. The glue that holds stuff together seems to be dissappearing.

I agree that US heavy presence is a key factor in keeping this stuff up. EU is nothing, completely toothless in even considering the possibility of an open warfare on its soil.

[hollis]

That's it, I'm moving back to Ireland.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Hollis

I didn't know you were Irish. I have a question about Irish women. Is it true that one has to make an appointment 6 months in advance for her to have a headache

[hollis]

I'll have to check with my wife. And while my family is from Ireland, I was born here. I went to visit to "mother land" for the first time a few months ago, and now I think its time for me to go back, for good. The Irish cherish their military neutrality so much that it is in their constitution.

[david]

I cant speak from experience but I am told that in some mature relationships it is the guy who gets the headaches. Last thing you need is a double headache.