Mexico

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I heard a report today that the US Military believes that the government of Mexico is on the verge of collapse. Drug lords have taken over significant areas of the country and the local police jurisdictions are usually on the payroll of the drug lords (they pay better).

Also, with our economy in the tank, fewer people are crossing the borders and many are returning to Mexico.

[cwb2007]

This doesn't suprise me at all the only question is who will pick up the pieces, a facist dictator or a communist dictator?

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

more like a drug czar

[Parn]

With the way it stands, I'd say a puppet dictator, with the drug czar(s) pulling the strings behind the curtain.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Who needs a curtain?

[Parn]

Good point.

[maddoctord]

Recently the government has been saying that the greatest threat to the United States at the moment, domestically, is not terrorism (no freaking duh) but the drug trafficking from Meh-chi-koh.

Apparently the Messhicans aren't happy about ruining just their country, but seem to be spreading their influence towards the border towns in the United States. Police officials have stated that the areas have become "war zones" - complete with kidnappings, murder and ransoms. Sounds just like Middle East affairs to me, except now it's seeping into the homefront.

My question is this, if these areas have become a "war zone", what is the National Guard doing? This should be treated as what people have been calling it, a war path. This is an invasion from Mexico and I think that if we don't stop it now, we won't be able to stop it later.

[Parn]

This is part of what the 2nd Amendment is for.

[Malak hamavet]

In Mexico (unluckily) we have a bunch of "lords of drugs" but this situation is encouraging by the huge numbers of drug-consumers all around my country, including USA.

Mexican goverment is making a best effort to fight this social disease with armed forces (army and navy) struggling to all this drug capos.

Mexico and USA are responsible with this thread. Drug dealers and drug consumers are the same crap for our countries.

Mexican people are good people with a high sense of social partnership and religiosity, as well american people.

We are not criminals as you want to believe.

Malak

[maddoctord]

Jan 15, 2009 19:03:35 GMT -5 Malak hamavet said:

In Mexico (unluckily) we have a bunch of "lords of drugs" but this situation is encouraging by the huge numbers of drug-consumers all around my country, including USA.

Mexican goverment is making a best effort to fight this social disease with armed forces (army and navy) struggling to all this drug capos.

Mexico and USA are responsible with this thread. Drug dealers and drug consumers are the same crap for our countries.

Mexican people are good people with a high sense of social partnership and religiosity, as well american people.

We are not criminals as you want to believe.

Malak

Perception is more important than reality to a lot of people and it only takes a few bad apples to spoil an entire populace's perception; what matters isn't my thoughts but rather the basic consensus that many believe that the drug lords are in fact controlling a lot of the politicians in that region.

I've read reports of police officers being targeted and killed, most likely by the mob. So it is certain to me that there are many who stand for justice.

If the Mexican government gain control of the problems that have arisen, that would be wonderful. The Mexicans need to reclaim their society and reinstate their sovereignty and stability as was intended about a century ago.

[ophello]

malak, I dont think you are all criminals. In fact you all cook better than me.

[Parn]

Perception is more important than reality to a lot of people and it only takes a few bad apples to spoil an entire populace's perception; what matters isn't my thoughts but rather the basic consensus that many believe that the drug lords are in fact controlling a lot of the politicians in that region.

What matters to me is not what the consensus thinks, but the facts themselves. You recall I told you myself a while back, in person, that the Mexican government, under the current President there, is indeed trying hard to fight back against these drug trafficing crooks that threaten the whole country. The problem is the fact that the drug lords have gotten ludicrously powerful and there are people in key positions that can be bought off.

Malak is right with fault being found on both sides of the border. The illicit drug market on this side is quite big and you know it, and that's one thing I'm not sure how to address. However, I will add to it in that the US Federal government has been slacking off on the job it's supposed to be doing in securing the border, and some policies in the border states such as the concept of "sanctuary cities" has made it easier for the mobs to gain foothold and take root here.

Malak, my anger is towards the gangsters and those that willingly faciliate them for personal benefit, not the decent people of Mexico that I know are trying to fight it.

[Malak hamavet]

Thanks guys for your comments.

Presidente Calderon is making a big effort to gain this struggle against drug-dealers and mafia capos.

Indeed, few bad mexican politics are involved with this mafia but good people are the most.

I've read reports of police officers being targeted and killed, most likely by the mob.

This situation happened 3 years ago but was because something thought this police officers were criminal, but clearly was an unfortunate mistake.

Mexican people are affectionate, charming, religious (virgen de Guadalupe is our "patrona" patron saint) y we love to receive visitors from others countries.

Dear friends, mexican drug-dealers and mafia-capos are a strong menace to our both countries, but mexican and american people are stronger than them.

Malak

Ps. Sorry, my english is not good. I'm still learning your beautiful languaje.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Malak

Todos Gringos hablan Espanol - pero no quiermos usteds mirar.

Translation - Malak - all gringos speak spanish - we just don't want you to see.

[Abdiel]

While Calderón might be doing an effort to combat drug lords, I think is too little too late, besides most of politicians prefer to ignore the issue instead of doing something real.

Mexico City goverment, it's still debating if marijuana should be legal or not. Clearly they care very little about the average citizen.

To truly combat drug lords Mexico has to undergo a mayor cleansing of corruption. This is the result of 70 years of corruptions, which allowed crime lords to settle deep in Mexican government. Further in the 90s top politicians (President Salinas) preferred to make a "deal" with the crime lords instead of doing something about it. Of course, new drug lords don't have such deals with government, and they have "diversified" their business model, doing piracy, kidnapping and other things.

Reviewing US constitution and its influence in other LatAm constitutions I found that the constitution Mexico had in 1857 during President Juarez allowed Mexicans to bear arms, I wonder if it is time to resurrect that constitutional article.

We still martial law in the present constitution however.

Abdiel.