Booze Drugs and Father

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Op

It took some time for the explanation of why some of your posts are irrational. In your post where you lay a Father experience to the fact you mixed booze and grass is, at best, irrational and at worst blasphemous.

While you indulge these choices - there is nothing of value for you here at HQ.

Drugs, legal or otherwise, do not promote spirit.

I drink, but not to excess. Sue has a life category she calls, "Drinking with Bob". Anyone who knows me has no trouble spotting the fact that I'm a certified wise ass and moving into the buzz zone only brings it more to the surface. I have no problem with drinking in moderation. Me, I'm a good time Charlie. You, on the other hand, seem to be a mean drunk.

I can tell you that what you're doing does not, can not and will never serve you well. If, in fact, spiritual issues are of importance to you, then getting your head clear and keeping it that way is your first step to seeing things with logic, reason and fact.

Father NEVER delivers fear to anyone. I don't even believe He's capable of it and your drug induced confabulations show only how far you are away from the source.

As I said with Akira, some people won't change until they've hit rock bottom and are staring into the abyss. You could clean up your act now because later isn't gonna get any better.

[ophello]

Did you miss the part where I drank well within my normal tolerance?

Did you miss the part where I said I've never had this reaction to such a small amount of said drugs?

What happened to me last night was an anomaly in the extreme, Cal. You tell me I should brush it aside?

I know what I experienced. I got the message. You think I'm hopeless and that's fine. Father knows what I am capable of.

I didn't "lay this on Father." This wasn't Father's doing. This was MY doing. The Father moment was not a result of my plea for forgiveness or ass kissing. It occurred the moment I surrendered to the logic of purpose and recognized that my body can no longer tolerate these drugs like it used to. It happened when I admitted that I am responsible for what happens to me.

If that isn't a valuable lesson that you can agree with, I don't know what is.

[Adam]

My 2 cents: The unforeseen or little understood consequence

Op is going to suffer from depression, from what I understand to be the THC in weed.

I of course heard this from a Doctor who's specialty is opiate withdrawals. Now combine the inside depression with an outside depression (economic, government ect.) And the pressure on the individual is much more. Better for Op to kick the habit. I suspect that the possibility of depression will be with him for the next six months if he stopped smoking weed today. Which is not a big timeline considering how fast the world is moving in human events. And if the planet picks up speed as well - add more external pressure.


As it was once said to me, it is my duty to say to you OP. You are at a cross road.


Nothing personal Op - I am just trying to give you perspective.


Dave.

[ophello]

Thank you for your input, david. I know only too well the effects of drugs. Until this point, the side effects have been manageable. Depression usually lasts a week or two for me. By then I will be with my entire family in New York. I look forward to the holidays with earnest.

[Adam]

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Well Op, I wish you well for the Holidays. Remember its a tough time
for people who indulge too much. Spend time with family is of value.

I would not ignore what others have said to you. We are not out of the wood's by a long shot. If you understand my meaning. Things are going to get harder. You have been irrational and your I sorry
means nothing without change.

[Adam]

I know only too well the effects of drugs. Until this point, the side effects have been manageable. Depression usually lasts a week or two for me.


Op, your not a doctor. Your a wannabe be somebody. And I suspect that I am not the only one who thinks that about you. The way to make up for lack of experience is threw the use of original thinking called genius. So far your a little piss ant when it comes to genius.

I suspect that I am not the only one who thinks that about you.

[ophello]

Thanks david. I dont expect you or anyone to understand the recent change in my life. I knew I was taking a risk in telling this forum of my experiences. Part of me expected some sympathy and understanding. What I received was anything but.

I cannot prove these changes to you, nor do I have the time or energy to. It will take some time for you and everyone else to recognize this change.

So far your a little piss ant when it comes to genius.

I have nothing to prove to you or anyone but Father. I stand with Him.

[z]

Well.

Drugs have been used to extract one out from his usual thought patterns. Altough, with discipline, under guidance and with intent to learn.

Problem with these adventures is that they are not provable, they lack continuance, unless they are interpreted by someone who knows about the stuff 'and' the drugs were only a one or two timer tool in the learning process.

In real life experiences, genuine Father moments 'adds' knowledge to awareness about the reality of the Father and that awareness grows with every step. This includes how this world operates, why things are this and that and so on. Real growth.

If the drugs are only tool in gaining these experiences this growth doesn't happen - the experience is sooner or a bit later just another thrill and nothing valuable is gained to real life, only escapism from it, when one seeks to have another warped experience via drugs.

Another thing, drug addicts are not looking for problems, they are looking an alternative reality, but as there is no such thing, problems are the only achievement.

Real life is the true venue for real growth.

[Adam]

Dave comment: Interesting perspective Z.


I have nothing to prove to you or anyone but Father. I stand with Him.

Well Op, Just cause you say its so, ( does not make it so). You have already broken a trust with everyone on this board. While I agree that you have nothing to prove to me. You might consider the possibility that you have something to prove to yourself.

Combine that with not one but two of Fathers servants in your face and you arrive at the possibility that you don't stand with Father ( as Father is not) a get out of jail card.


Face it - your a spoiled kid who gets what he wants. Not what he needs. And the sad part is that the social engineers of control have you right were they want you. An educated fence sitter who is afraid to loose.

But that's OK, the dope will see you threw. And numb the pain of truth.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Did you miss the part where I drank well within my normal tolerance?

Did you miss the part where I said I've never had this reaction to such a small amount of said drugs?


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[e-Male]

Dec 13, 2008 9:43:16 GMT -5 z said:

Real life is the true venue for real growth.

Or put another way:
"Reality is for people who can't cope with drugs."

[ophello]

Let's set some things straight for the record. I probably should have posted this list at the top of the first post, since all of you are jumping to the wrong conclusions:

1. This experience I had was not caused by Father. It was caused by me.
2. The "Father moment" came only as a direct result of my admittance to the fact that I am responsible for my actions and was not induced by drugs.
3. The ONLY THING Father said was "I am proud of you for finally learning from your experiences."
4. I am not a drug addict and do not drink to erase problems.
5. The lesson I learned was that even in small amounts, these drugs are hurting me.
6. I have vowed to not smoke pot. Again. Ever.

While this may not meet Cal's criteria as a "Father moment", that is what I choose to call it. You all are convinced that drugs could never bring about a positive change in someone. For the vast majority of the time, this is true. This time, that wasn't the case.

You're all reacting as though I've just let you down. That, also, isn't true. I let you down a long time ago. This is just the first admittance to that fact, and while you are all busy putting me down, belittling and pitying me, I feel more sure of my future and more empowered to change it than ever before. Frankly, your reactions are overly patronizing and very discouraging. You choose to see the worst in me and only ever expect as much. Forgive me for acting like a smart-ass, but you weren't here, and you don't know.

Of course, like I said, I have nothing to prove to Cal, the Advens, or anyone else on Earth except Father and ME.

[hollis]

It takes a big person to admit to being wrong. It also takes a big person to avoid f---ing up again, you know what I mean?

I've been to college not too long ago, and the habits you develop in college will be with you until you're thirty, trust me. If you break them now, and make them stay broken, you'll be better off and will actually have the future you are sure of. If you are like the losers I know from college who decided that drinking and living in mom's basement was the best way to contribute to society, just like they were doing in college, then you be that loser until you are thirty.

That's as encouraging as I can get.

[ophello]

Hollis, I couldn't agree with you more. A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, the first of which I have already taken.

The irony of your post is hilarious: I literally did live in mom's basement, but that was during high school. I've lived in dorms, a house, and apartments since then. At this moment, I live 50 miles from my Mom and spend my time on campus. It really is a wonderful place. The downside is that one of my roommates is a drug addict who cant stop taking stimulants. I generally try to avoid him, but he used to invite me to smoke pot occasionally. Most of my friends smoke pot, too. I've already told one of them I cant smoke anymore, and he's promised not to do it around me. The next challenge is to replace the destructive activities that were destroying my life with positive ones.

I am surrounded by inglorious company, but thats ok. I have will power and intend to use it more from this point on.

[hollis]

Now, since we're agreed on that, I have to ask a question that is sticking out in my mind: Why did you bring this up? You say that everyone's reactions were overly patronizing and discouraging, but what was it that you expected? If you have nothing to prove to Cal, or the Advens, or to me, then why bring up something like this in the first place? It only served to disprove and sabotage you.