Here's a thought

[imbasile]

Perhaps it is that I have read and not understood this thread.
Am I to think that Cal is the King to come or is it RCB?

Both have spoken to the fact that they have memories of past lives, have Fathers ear, have heavenly contacts, have understandings beyond this material world.

While I don’t portend to discuss these items as to their validity and make no judgment upon either, it does make me question.

While I, myself, am in the full amnesia of this material body, I cannot say if or anything about my past activities.

I am sure of certain things though.

These being that I follow the Father ONLY and don’t have need for a king or president or any type of other ruler telling me how, what, or anything else of the conduct of this life.
If all the leaders of this world (and the other persons needing to tell me how to run my life) would pay more attention to theirs and leave me be I’m sure we would all be the happier for it. (Even as this site says “ the ancient of days” is against us and he rules all this stuff) if he can’t be trusted then only the Father can be so that leaves all others out.
(pardon my lack of information and understanding of the spirit world, but I could include all God class beings with the Father but…)

Ruling groups (congress, casts, kings etc…) are all corrupt because they believe they have the right to tell me what I will do under penalties they make up and don’t care for the individual only the majority. ( case in point – modern history)

All persons alluding to or stating for fact that “we” (humans) have had all the information we needed given us and that we are responsible for our actions under this guide are themselves part of the lies, deceit, dis-information, mind controlling groups of this universal area. (reasoning: if I am told and inculcated into any belief pattern while in the human form that this is the truth and I believe it and act upon it with faith then if this information was wrong and was given by those “in the know” for reasons of control and other deceptive actions then it is not me that has the problem but them)
As with all things a FULL disclosure of the facts and actions is necessary for any individual to make a FULL and WISE decision. All decisions based on partial facts and lies (known or unknown) are bogus.

I find only one person in the last 2000 years that spoke the truth and even that has to be gleaned from twisted writings, this being the person named Jesus. He came to tell us the truth about the Father (loving, kind, caring, not like the god of the old testement) and to tell us the truth about who we are(children of God, not animals) and to show us that death is the illusion and to tell us how to guide our lives (being lead by the spirit of God). Anything else that has been said is a bunch of hoowie.

The lessons being learned here on this planet are “how NOT to do things” and how to live thru it without going crazy or killing a bunch of folks that desperately need it.
Keep your rules, your governments, your casts, your kings and leave me alone, I’m quite kind and loving when I don’t have to always be looking for the vasoline and pleasing all the demi-god wannabees.

If these statements cause concern for my soul or create confusion etc… know that this personality that I am is not well suited to this type ruling class and would be better off being re-worked into a more compliant type. I sure Father knows what is best for me, but the rest of the “personalities” of this place should know I don’t have what it takes to be the slave of any but Father.

I rule no one, I administer nothing. I came to learn and boy what a lesson, never would I have dreamed of acting in such a manner to others that I have seen on this planet. You all can have it, give me a rock in space by myself and I will live long and prosper.

[aften]

This might help, Cal wrote it

You may have noticed the seemingly increase in spree killings where the murderer kills himself before he can be taken. Locally, we had a suicide by cop where a person robbed a pharmacy and then hole'd up in there while he got loaded. He then provoked the police into killing him.

These are non ascendants who can't vision being different than they are or have no interest in that direction.

The first example knows he's non ascendant and has no hope that he could be better - so he decides to settle scores or to perform a level of miscreance that he's always wanted to do but was afraid.

Hope is the grease that lubricates the wheels of life - without it - life isn't possible.

You'd think that, at some point, people would wise up to themselves but the bare truth is - many just don't care and would rather die than change. This speaks to the Plan B of the Rapture scenario where people are given a last chance via a hard road.
Also, why the food chain becomes visible and they can lead, teach and direct by example without holy words - just truth.

There are 5 ways of dealing with a problem.
1. Kill yourself
2. Kill the person making the problem
3. Run away geographically
4. Run away via drugs, booze etc
5. Make Changes

The first 4 are all forms of denial. The fifth speaks to the adage that the truth will set you free. One can not reach Father unless they follow the path of truth.

Linkword = IN TRUTH
JOH 4 23 BUT THE HOUR COMETH AND NOW IS WHEN THE TRUE WORSHIPPERS SHALL WORSHIP THE FATHER IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH FOR THE FATHER SEEKETH SUCH TO WORSHIP HIM

JOH 4 24 GOD IS A SPIRIT AND THEY THAT WORSHIP HIM MUST WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH

JO1 3 18 MY LITTLE CHILDREN LET US NOT LOVE IN WORD NEITHER IN TONGUE BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH

JO2 1 3 GRACE BE WITH YOU MERCY AND PEACE FROM GOD THE FATHER AND FROM THE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF THE FATHER IN TRUTH AND LOVE

JO2 1 4 I REJOICED GREATLY THAT I FOUND OF THY CHILDREN WALKING IN TRUTH AS WE HAVE RECEIVED A COMMANDMENT FROM THE FATHER

JO3 1 4 I HAVE NO GREATER JOY THAN TO HEAR THAT MY CHILDREN WALK IN TRUTH

JO1 3 18 MY LITTLE CHILDREN LET US NOT LOVE IN WORD NEITHER IN TONGUE BUT IN DEED AND IN TRUTH

This verse speaks well to the subject of 'lip service'. Holy words mean nothing if they aren' accompanied with actions based upon a foundation of truth.

Also note, worship doesn't mean to pray or adulate. Father needs neither. It means service - the doing of the good deeds.

Evil, like good, comes in degrees as does non ascendancy. Each person has to do two things. To objectively look at themselves with 'truth' and to desire to be better.

The person who is a higher order of non ascendant may not be one actually committing evil - yet, the absence of evil does not presume the presence of good. Many people will behave themselves for fear of being caught and punished by local authorities. This fear does not constitute being a good person.
As the verse says, truth must be combined with good deeds.

Those given to denial refuse self examination. Even so, there comes a moment when the truth of judgement will be self evident as those who failed judgement eye ball each other and know the truth of what they're looking at and who is looking at them. At the very least, they are liars all and there is no truth within them.

As the comments of the Apostle John illustrate, these are not new concepts. No one is pulling the rug out from under anyone.
The rules have been knowable by anyone wishing to know and it requires no genius to know that good is better than evil.

Time grows short.

[mark]

Dave's comment : "Mark suggests a spiritual culture for a person who is inclined to a formula or face destruction."

Dave,

The 10 commandments are a formula.

Try the 1st one without "chanting".

Freewill has consequences when not dovetailed with the will of God the Father, that will being INSEPERABLE from his scriptural injunctions or "formulas".

Some people follow the formula (rules and laws) until they catch the essence. This is the result of mercy. Not everyone loves God right away, what to speak of actually knowing a thing or two about him. Please don't condemn all such on account of your free will decision to be adverse to the formulas given.

regards,

Mark

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Aften nailed it on the head

I do have to question this statement: "I'm looking for full funding or Armageddon like destruction of the population".

RCB proposes the annilation of mankind as does the Ancient of Days - the Devil. Little more needs to be said. Evil beds with evil and RCB is of the sort that takes the mark of the beast.

RCB - like others of his ilk - comes without proving and Mark's comparision to me is signicantly off base. My provings are up for all to see and have been for 10 years. Now we have another Enay type rolling in running the same tired game. But there's a good lesson to be had here.

Know thy enemy. See his face and see it well because it won't be the last time he shows himself.

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

Imbasile

The founding principles of the Constitution assumed that

a. the purpose of the government was to serve its populations not to rule them. (this has been perverted).
b. That insuring the rights of the individual also insured the rights of the whole.
c. A right is something everyone has and shares equally. (this also has been perverted to where there are now favored classes.)

Freedom isn't free and those who would hide on a rock while others shed their blood to protect it - deserve it not.

[aften]

Mark writes:

"Srimad Bhagavatam Canto Canto 4, Ch.10, Verse 30.

Translation All the sages said: Dear Dhruva, O son of King Uttanapada, may the Supreme Personality of Godhead known as Sarngadhanva, (the one who relieves the distresses of His devotees), kill all your threatening enemies. The holy name of the Lord is as powerful as the Lord Himself. Therefore, simply by chanting and hearing the holy name of the Lord, many men can be fully protected from fierce death without difficulty. Thus a devotee is saved.

PURPORT
The great rsis approached Dhruva Maharaja at a time when his mind was very perplexed due to the magical feats exhibited by the Yaksas. A devotee is always protected by the Supreme Personality of Godhead. By His inspiration only, the sages came to encourage Dhruva Maharaja and assure him that there was no danger because he was a soul fully surrendered to the Supreme Lord. By the grace of the Lord, if a devotee, at the time of death, can simply chant His holy name—Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare—simply by chanting this maha-mantra, he immediately surpasses the great ocean of the material sky and enters the spiritual sky. He never has to come back for repetition of birth and death. Simply by chanting the holy name of the Lord, one can surpass the ocean of death, so Dhruva Maharaja was certainly able to surpass the illusory magical feats of the Yaksas, which for the time being disturbed his mind.

Dave comment: The sages said kill all your threatening enemies? For the benefit of Dhruva? At the time of death chant to avoid a fierce death? All this to circumvent the reincarnation of a soul? Seems to me that this is a poor process in the attempt to avoid judgement in regards to ascendancy and non ascendancy".


Mark writes:

"Some people follow the formula (rules and laws) until they catch the essence".

Dave comment: Mark I don't do condemnation. My God given ability allows me to smell the essence. The essence that you allude to is not something I want to catch.

I am not casting aside the belief system. People have free will. If your system (rules and laws) help one on the road to ascendancy thats great. From my perspective your rules and laws would work well in a communist state.

[mark]

Dave, ascendency is the beginning of a new leg of the journey.

Ascendent souls take to rules and regulations also. As a matter of fact, they tend to appear to be the most strict adherents, which sets a good example for others, yet they are naturals and thus ruly and well regulated societal behavior is expressed as a result of both their service attitude to Father, and knowledge of their unique duty to him.

Truly, a non ascendent only follows the rules under duress of their own unwilling resistance, coupled with a shred of acceptance due to the good fortune they NOW they figure have to or else.

The ascendent souls follow the rules gladly knowing that it pleases Father, and that the rules are made to enable them to gradually advance in their understanding, appreciation, and thus fuller and fuller Love of Him.

Cal,

When RCB said he was...

"Looking for Full funding or armageddon like destruction of the population".

He meant that he was beaten into exile by those who usurped his teacher's intellectual and physical properites, including the church he built to encourage the praising of God in all ways.

That there are few disciples like him, and they seem scattered and broken.

That he knows with full funding, some of the broadest reaching orders of his teacher can be executed.

That otherwise, most all he sees in his daily life are people unwilling to follow neither the 10 commandments, nor the similar basic Vaisnava precepts, and that it will take the tradgedy of a cataclysmic reduction of the poplulation through war before people would willingly organize according to any religious principles.

So, to summarize, he feels like he is being kept on a shelf and prevented from engaging his potential because people in general want their unbridled sense gratification without God's rules and regulations, and he HONORS their free-will to do so, but is actually compassionate enough to try and reach them anyway despite rejection, and tries to decipher what it will take for certain people to want to accept the truth when it is presented to them, and distress or fear seems to be the number one motivator, as you often point out. Armageddon will serve that purpose, so he prepares for the eventuality that that may be the media by which his preaching will push forward, and not that he gets full funding.

Thus he is waiting for and soliciting full funding, which includes willing colleauges.

Or waiting for armageddon, when people might be a little more humble about the situation and willing to try something new.

[imbasile]

Cal,
As you say the constitution "assumes" these things and has been perverted, but for persons of moral character and stamina these "rights" for the individual would be worth the fighting for.

I fought in Viet Nam, I do not believe it was worth the lives taken.

If history is the teacher then freedom is the small group of persons that keep getting killed while the rest of the world is fighting for dominance.

Most of history's governments have been for the rich by the rich at the expense of all others, I do not see any changes now or in the future with this scene. Even if 1 billion persons stood up and fought and lost to the other 5 billion this world would still be in the hands of those that will not allow others their basic rights.

So, we that have fought and still live, live to fight another day but the battle will not ever be won till all the "evil" one's are dead.

This leads to genecide and a one world government, but then that government would corrupt itself and then it would start all over again.

Perhaps I miss the point. I thought I came here to "live" not to die, but maybe I came here to die so that evil can continue to live?

All the great teachers and leaders have made changes in the small groups, but the world continues to act as animals with a mental problem, this being the case then, most humans were/are not acendent and the small groups are. This then is the classroom for those and the rest....?

Under the constitution I have the right to keep a bear arms, but under the law of God I have no right to take life.
Under the constitution "we" the people should already have been in "violent" revolt against our own now corrupt government.
Under the law of God we are to accept those in power over us.

I am confused as to which way I should go, my intention is to follow the Father and His rules, my gut tells me to start the revolution....


RCB, if this world is put in your hands, please come to my place and kill me first...I have no patience to wait.

[aften]

Mark says:
Dave, ascendency is the beginning of a new leg of the journey.

Dave comment: Yep

Mark says:
Ascendent souls take to rules and regulations also. As a matter of fact, they tend to appear to be the most strict adherents, which sets a good example for others, yet they are naturals and thus ruly and well regulated societal behavior is expressed as a result of both their service attitude to Father, and knowledge of their unique duty to him.

Dave comment: Nope, you have not been to the New Universe. You would have to prove that you understand the first harvest in an experiential manner. The first harvest as written in the Book of Revelation. Cal has already spoken about the Mayan A culture that he sent to the Universe.

Mark says:
Truly, a non ascendent only follows the rules under duress of their own unwilling resistance, coupled with a shred of acceptance due to the good fortune they NOW they figure have to or else.

Dave comment: Truly you say. I say that you do not speak for the non ascendants. Each must choose for themselves.

Mark says:
The Ascendent souls follow the rules gladly knowing that it pleases Father, and that the rules are made to enable them to gradually advance in their understanding, appreciation, and thus fuller and fuller Love of Him.

Dave comment: You don't speak for the Ascendant souls. You do speak for your own soul. You assumptions do not rise to the level of fact. The interaction between an Ascendant and the Trinity is personal. That an Ascendant soul is a member in good standing to his or her community is a given.

Now I speak of the Ascendant soul (moveing upwards), You speak of the Ascendent souls (2 : a state or position of dominant power or importance). I use the "ant", you use the "ent".

[mark]

Dave,

It is a poor method to use my spelling mistake as leverage to assume I don't know the meaning of the word.

I wasn't speaking for non-ascendants, I was speaking to the nature of the deliberation process that occurs due to the non-ascendant position, and that I can speak to, knowing it quite well through personal recollection. And my assessment of how a non-ascendant may at first begrudgingly accept discipline is not at all a perception unique to me. I wasn't speaking FOR anyone, but speaking to a general principle.

In the case of describing the behavior of ascendant souls, it is a general fact of them all that they follow the instruction, direction or inspiration of whichever of the trinity as you say they relate with confidentially. I was not speaking for anyone, but speaking to the principle of which I am aware, and again I am not the first to notice this.

As for the dogma of criteria you put forward that one must meet in order to be able to speak of these things, that is your limitation.

I allow Father's freewill as well to reach anyone and everyone in whatever way he might, and that he does this in a way that can simultaneously be proved by evidence and fact through his scripture and prophets is indisputable, but to limit how many sons and servants he can send, and how many scriptures they might utilize is quite unreasonable to me.

Hare Krsna

[aften]

It is a poor method to use my spelling mistake as leverage to assume I don't know the meaning of the word.

Dave comment: Hey its your mistake. People in science make mistakes. That you say my method is poor is your own bias.


I wasn't speaking for non-ascendants, I was speaking to the nature of the deliberation process that occurs due to the non-ascendant position, and that I can speak to, knowing it quite well through personal recollection. And my assessment of how a non-ascendant may at first begrudgingly accept discipline is not at all a perception unique to me. I wasn't speaking FOR anyone, but speaking to a general principle.

Dave comment: Nature of the deliberation process? I hear its pass or fail depending on the color of the soul as judged by three Angles who are qualified. As to general principle there is none.


In the case of describing the behavior of ascendant souls, it is a general fact of them all that they follow the instruction, direction or inspiration of whichever of the trinity as you say they relate with confidentially. I was not speaking for anyone, but speaking to the principle of which I am aware, and again I am not the first to notice this.

Dave comment: Ah ya, well when you are in good standing with the Ascendant souls, I will hear you out and be glad to hear what you have to say.

As for the dogma of criteria you put forward that one must meet in order to be able to speak of these things, that is your limitation.

Dave comment: Oh its dogma to ask for proof of what you say. What a communist thing to say.

I allow Father's freewill as well to reach anyone and everyone in whatever way he might, and that he does this in a way that can simultaneously be proved by evidence and fact through his scripture and prophets is indisputable, but to limit how many sons and servants he can send, and how many scriptures they might utilize is quite unreasonable to me.

Dave comment: You allow Father's freewill? Get an ego check up. Indisputable scripture and prophets? I guess I can stop thinking now.

Father makes the rules, he sends who he will. That Cal gives a current accounting is because Cal speaks true. Look it up in the Rev Code.

Overcome your shortcomings by seeking the truth. If you assume that you know the truth then
that is a choice.

Why not choose better and take what you can from H.Q. instead of letting your beliefs stand in the way of reason.

Think for yourself.

[mark]

Dave comment: Nature of the deliberation process? I hear its pass or fail depending on the color of the soul as judged by three Angles who are qualified. As to general principle there is none.

You tell me to think for myself, yet repeat something you have "heard" as a fact in rebuttal to my description. Unusual tactic. Anyway, I think for myself, but compare my thoughts to authority often as a check on my "big ego".

Maybe this will clarify. A soul in a state of non-ascendancy still has free will. They may choose between service or rebellion. Each soul in that state comes to a point where they are offered service and may deliberate or fence sit, vacillate between the two for a while, and the proper color comes when they surrender in faith, or else they fail judgement when it comes to them.

YOU are the one ignoring the free will choice, and saying it is up to the one judging the person whether that person is ascendant, which is only half the story! The person passed not because of the one judging their color, but because they chose to do good be good and got the color by their own willingness to accept the mercy that comes with the choice.

And you futher nitpick me when I say I allow Father's freewill, etc. when it should be obvious by the context that I meant I do not oppose it by opposing his plan as a rebel, which I could do, as he allows any to do if they so choose.

In should have said I allow "for" father's free will in that I will not prejudice myself to any of the unlimited ways he might choose to use his son's and servants to reach whatever group of people he wants to, in what ever way. Where as some people impose their speculation on what Father will or will not do, through one two or twenty of his sons, friends, or servants.

I don't deny what I have found Cal to be about and what he is here to do and the scriptural evidence that supports it.

That anyone would take that to mean that Father has no other activities inspired directly by him through other intimate servants shows a provincial perspective that might limit their ability to witness other of his Glorious activities via other of his dedicated servants.

That someone demand proof of that is reasonably expected, and encouraged so as to rule out any misunderstandings.

That one actually does dillegence to the examination of that evidence without prejudice is the only way one can do justice to their inquiry. Anyone skimming the surface looking for faults just isn't interested in breaking out of their belief system, and wasn't looking for the truth to begin with.

I am not here to challenge Cal's sovereignty, nor tweak with your faith in Father of Cal. Any of that you perceive by my quoting the teachings of a great and compassionate soul are simply your issues to deal with, and may it make your faith stronger and deeper.

Mark

[aften]

Mark says:
That anyone would take that to mean that Father has no other activities inspired directly by him through other intimate servants shows a provincial perspective that might limit their ability to witness other of his Glorious activities via other of his dedicated servants.

Dave comment: Well now. There is what you say and then there is the REV CODE. Obviously you have not read the Code. Nor come to an understanding. And you call me provincial. I will take issue with you. The Rev Code comes from The Almighty (Immanuel). Now Cal in Revelation 3 is the blessed that readeth (Cal broke the code). You Mark are the one who came here with your beliefs and all who have eyes can see. On this forum we have some sharp truth seekers and speakers. Now if it is your wish to serve Father - that is between you and Father.

However threw your tomb of thought you tend to speak for Father and his Sons. You attack Christians, you speak about a knowing of ascendants and non ascendants. I have told you to use H.Q. as an opportunity to know the truth. And yes Cal told me and the Advens how Judgement works (in addition to everyone else seeking the truth). So if you have a beef about the food chain, what can I say. I don't make the rules you pro offer to live by, perhaps you might want to work on your tolerance, compassion and logic and reason. Or not.

Mark says:
Any of that you perceive by my quoting the teachings of a great and compassionate soul are simply your issues to deal with,

Dave comment: Yes well thats why shovels were invented. To move the useless material out of the way.

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

4John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

7Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

[RCBTraveler]

Great post people! Hard to address everything said! As for Mark and Dave's discussion, I have to take leave because I know nothing of the bible.

I would like to though explain my Armageddon crack. Just to add to what Mark has already said and yes Mark and I know each other in the real world and are able to have hours of conversations that would take months to disseminate on line.
It means I see that the people will not make the changes necessary to comply will the laws of nature and man as set down by Manu. Manu represents God as an administrator in a particular capacity. One of them is give of universal law. Which has to be followed on all planets. And He is one of the progenitors of this and other planets. He is our fathers father. But not The Supreme Personality.

I see the self destructions of mankind now and say 'can't we stop this?' The answer is 'yes' with the reintroduction of DVD. But how to convince them? Like Lot from your bible, I can't find 10!!! Not even among those that claim the same master. So the Lord must have a different plan. Unfortunate for us, I think it is whole sale destruction of the human race, NOT MY PLAN. I would have all of you come and learn from me/Mark or others like us, the method of satisfying the natural way of human life instead! But you see that is how free will works, we do as we please, that is freedom. Not given by man in any form! Common paper means dick-all. But we also must reap a reward accordingly, good, bad or other. That is Gods law as given by His administrator.

Self protection? Damn straight! You protect how ever big a circle you can with what ever you have or can get. Because of the extreme/emergence situation we have, it maybe every man for himself or/and others as you can create communities. Turning the other cheek is for Brahmans and the warrior will protect him and the rest of society with his life. Killing a violent criminal is not what is meant by 'Tho shalt not kill'

In normal times only the warrior will have arms. But under extreme life I would arm every man woman or child to fight for there lives if necessary.

As for no patients to wait for change, you have no other viable choice. You will wait patiently or not it does not matter for you or me. Or kill your body and be a ghost. Me I will wait. Good bad or other I would never take my own life.

Thank you, Hare Krsna.

RCB

[Caligastia Lanonandek]

I think I should introduce your Manu to Betty Boop from Alpha Centauri - but she'd probably just kick his tail having less tolerance for BS than I.